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the inside of the tavern is filled with people talking and laughing as you enter
in the barkeep looks over at you and says "Oi can I get you a drink" he's
about to gradually.... I'm your GM and it's not a tavern no who uses taverns these
days? As a matter of fact the castle that you're in is on fire there are great big
warriors running everywhere and there are just absolute chaos and pandemonium.
Your characters are on one hit point each because well you've been in battle
for weeks and the game is just beginning...
Hello and welcome to this episode of how to be a great GM, my name is guy and
today we're looking at the option of a guest GM /DM or multiple GM's /DM's as some
questions have asked us on the various channels that we operate: that's Twitter,
discord, Facebook - all those different spaces people have been asking us
questions as well as down below in the video links comments and these and how
can you run a game with multiple GM's / DM's, should you run a game with multiple GM's / DM's
and what about just having a Guest GM / DM coming in from time to time what does
that do for your game what does that do for your players, and what does it do for
you, as the game master / dungeon master? Well that's what I'm going to try and answer in today's
video we're gonna look at the various options and the benefits and the
negatives, of course, that come along with having multiple GM's / DM's and I'll give you
some experience that I've had where I've actually run games with multiple GM's / DM's so
If that's something that you're interested into looking into, stay with us. Now when
we start looking at multiple GM's / DM's we gotta ask ourselves some questions why would
we want to have multiple GM's / DM's in the first place and what kind of disruption can
we be expecting, what are the benefits that we can keep, and that can be derived
from having multiple GM's / DM's and then how do the mechanics work, how
does it actually work of having multiple GM's / DM's and how does that fit with your
story narratively. So we're gonna look at all those different things so if we then
jump into it, hopefully and we move on to why
would you want to have multiple GM's / DM's or a Guest GM / DM appearing in your show. Well
there are a couple things: firstly it gives you a very different perspective,
another GM coming in, even if you're playing in the same world, even if the GM
is picking up heaven forbid in the middle of an adventure and they're
running with it there is going to be a different shift, we all look at
Dungeons & Dragons (DnD) and all the role-playing games / systems for that matter from a different point
of view, we run our games differently and even though we might all be for example
narrative GM's we might all be mechanical mechanics GM's,
GM's we all have a slightly different take on how things are going to work so
automatically it's gonna be going to bring a different perspective to the
game, it also means that the way that your players are going to interact with
the GM / DM is going to change how you interact with one GM / DM is going to be
quite different from how you interact with another. Now you might sit back and
say well now my players are always the same they're always a bunch of hooligans,
yeah but they're different types of hooligans - four different types of GM's / DM's
with you, they've had experience they know what they can push in terms of
boundaries they know where they can go in terms of taking the narrative or in
terms of taking the mechanics with a new GM / DM or a different GM those boundaries
need to be set or discovered I should say and so that's going to influence
your game. What it does for you is the GM of course is that it does give you a
different perspective as well. This is what you had thought the campaign should
be doing, you've now brought in a second GM or a third or whatever the case might
be and they're bringing a very different perspective to the whole thing. It can be
great! it's also a tempo shift it changes things up if you are playing on a
regular game and you say, "All right well for the next month we're gonna have a
guest GM and that GM is gonna play us take us through four sessions or so and
it's just a bit of a break for me as the GM." I want to experience some playing, I
want to play with you guys, my favorite players. There are a whole bunch of
things it's definitely going to change: the tempo a long term GM you've got a
long game plan you've got a whole campaign plot it out if you are on a
temporary basis of you're just a guest GM well you're going to be trying to
pack in as much as you can so you're going to generally have a
faster paced game so that can also be quite fun to inject some life into
things GM guidance is another major benefit if
you are a novice GM and you have a guest GM coming in you can talk to that guest
Jim how did you plan your sessions once the session is over you can then pick
their brains and say oh well when you did that what did what was this for and
what was that for it's also useful if you're an experienced GM you can see how
are the gems go about their process and either than that you can either sharpen
your own process maybe cut some corners that you weren't necessarily cutting
before or find a more efficient way of doing something or perhaps you might be
able to help that GM by saying I know what you tried to do there I can't say
that you succeeded I would have done it differently I would have done it this
way or that way you can compare notes so basically it allows you to get some
insight into your own style or to share your style with those who may not
necessarily know it yet so there's some benefits there and of course it allows
you as the game master to take a break sometimes that's all we need we just
need a little break from running the games and it's refreshing to play you
can sometimes also forget what it's like to be a player and so as a result you
can if sometimes forget the little things by being a player every now and
again it brings you right back to the coalface as it were where you can
experience other GM's and get that perspective so that's why you might want
to bring in other GM's that's why you might want to have a guest GM pop in
every now and again or to have a second GM who's part of the whole process from
the very GetGo if you want a longer-term campaign but the abilities are switching
and switch out what we then have to look at is the disruption because ultimately
this is going to bring about disruption there is no ways that it can't do that
what kind of disruptions are we talking about well the very first one is if the
GM is one of the players and their character suddenly vanishes where did
the PC go did they get stuck on board the ship researching their uncle's diary
did they wander off to start a tavern somewhere if it's in mid campaign and
the party was lost in the middle of a field did they get beamed up or
were consumed by the ground what happened there and how can you overcome
that so well that's something that you can look at and we certainly do handle
that and mechanics later on in the video so stay with us for that so where did
the PC go how do we solve that question it's an interesting one that you do need
to solve the other thing is is if the GM continues to play that character as a GM
PC I've never particularly liked that term but calling them an NPC just seems
to debase them all the way down to cannon fodder nonetheless if they are
going to be played by the GM who's also GM in the game there are all kinds of
problems that come with that and there will be a video coming out when we look
at the GM PC and the problems that come with doing that so that's a problem what
also happens to the main plot if you have a guess GM whose just popping in or
it's a player who wants to try their hand they want to stay in the same world
they want to stay in the same campaign they might want to do a little side
adventure or something along those lines what then happens to the main plot does
it basically go on pause is it like a break in the middle of a TV series what
is the story there we need to find a solution for that which I do handle in
as I said later on in the video and then what about attachments what if we prefer
the new GM to the old GM how is that going to work what happens if our PCs
are attached to something the new GM comes in and they wash it away because
well they didn't see but having any kind of value that also is incredibly
disruptive so you want to look at those kind of components and think well can we
survive without them as they're a way of retconning it is there a way of working
around it I hate the idea of undoing the work the guest GM has done
how'd it defeats the point of having a guest GM in the first place so I bigger
pardon this flu has still not left me in case you can't hear that the idea of
what are the disruptive factors they lead us to start to look for mechanical
solutions that will continue to keep our game fun and entertaining
whilst at the same time capitalizing on some of the benefits that we would get
from having a guest GM and what are those benefits well the benefits is
that suddenly you as the GM you can show and guide your fellow players so you are
the GM / DM of the campaign your players have been struggling with certain key
points and you don't want to bring in an NPC who's going to help them but you
decide that you're gonna have a guest GM come in and whilst that guest GM is
there you're going to play a character who may be able to give them some advice
or some pointers in the right direction it might be very meta gaming to do this
so I would advise that you do it with caution but if you find that your party
is perhaps very murder hobo esque and you haven't tried any of the solutions
in the video on are you a murder hobo or how to deal with murder hobos which are
also on this channel if you find that they are perhaps a little bit too
gung-ho maybe they're a little bit too reluctant
maybe they need a bit of direction in their lives you can create a character
who steps in and shows them the right way to do it it does give it a little
bit more of a hands-on feel and less like an NPC telling them what to do if
you are actually playing it and then are showing them how to do it yourself be
warned this is not a platform for you to show your players how to be a good
player in terms of look I'm such a marvelous player do not brag do not
boast do not say look at what I'm doing in to it like me that does not come
across well rather play the game as you would lead by demonstration rather than
by explanation I always say it does also give you tremendous insight as the GM
into the players and into the player characters there's nothing quite like
having your own character interact with PCs or having your own discussions
postgame with the players to really get an insight into how they think and what
they think so after that GM session has happened the guest GM has left you all
gather around with cups of coffee and hopefully they're saying or what we
really do like the way that you run games this new bloke all this new lass
is not bad but we prefer your hopefully that's what you're getting at least
certain it's always nice for the ego isn't it but the main value of it is to
be able to see how your players think and to position yourself going well this
is what I would do with this new GM what my players
to be thinking about gives you some insight there it is of course a new GM
you might be introducing to the world of the role-playing if you are introducing
a player into the elevated ranks of being a GM that is fantastic and there
is always benefit to having more GM's more GM's mean more games more players
more players mean more GM's more GM's that learn and have good games mean
better games for all of us and it is a wonderful wonderful cycle of good and
better role playing games so whenever you can encourage your player to become
a GM it's a safe space they know the environment they know the world that
you're playing in because they themselves have been playing in it for
quite some time it's a wonderful wonderful and incubation space where new
players can become GM's it also allows you to get feedback so you can see your
own world through the eyes of your own character rather than as the GM you
might have created this Empire which is absolutely wonderful and amazing and a
total authoritarianism interesting ideas in terms of well maybe I should end in a
rebellion group you get a fresh perspective on your own world as nothing
better than visiting your own city and seeing it through the eyes of your own
character rather than as a GM so there are many many benefits to having
somebody else come in and run a game in your space in your environment it really
can give you some insights if you are open to it now that's the important
thing when you are having a guest GM you as the GM in residence you as the master
of this world you need to step back and not stand on that poor GM's tote tails
and prevent them from moving forward if they are running the game it is their
game they can do with it as they will and if that means changing your setting
if that means changing some of your fundamental plans you invited them into
that space you must now accommodate and move forward with it so how do we do
that how do we mechanically make sure that when we have this guest GM who's
bringing in all these benefits who's helping giving us all sorts of wonderful
insights and making us better game masters as we happen to be how do we
make sure that that happens well we look at it from a Macau
perspective when we invite the guests GM into our group into our game we need to
set some boundaries and these boundaries are certainly going to help now there
are many many many options here the boundaries could be that it's a pocket
dimension that the characters have found themselves in so you set it up at the
end of the last adventure that you're going to be running until the new GM has
taken over met the players enter the players characters anyway enter into a
pocket dimension and everything and anything is up for grabs that means your
new guest GM has a whole canvas to work in that's dough all the familiar but
it's now they're familiar and they can do with it as they will that takes your
main plots and puts it on pause basically whilst the PCs are wandering
around in this pocket dimension so you can certainly do something like that you
can of course make the whole thing feel as if it was a dream the PCs are not
actually on this journey they're not actually going through this process they
are dreaming it mechanically if you have a system that requires leveling or
advancement of some kind you will need to accommodate for that
because basically the player goes to play a character goes to sleep and wakes
up the next morning five-level is stronger and with more gold and trinkets
than they had before or do you just wash it all away and the risk with wash it
all away in terms making it a dream is that your players your other players
your regular players might get frustrated by that fact that you need
some kind of rewards to bear that in mind it could be a vision of the future
this is the characters in three months time three years time that way you can
use all of the secrets of using the future dreams and those kinds of things
also I think I've done a video on that you can have a look at that you can use
all of that information that the new GM seated and then repurpose it as your own
it is a vision of a potential future after all not the actual future you can
use elements of it in your game moving forward and it seems as if everything
has still remained part of the same narrative even though it's been a
different gem alternatively you could split the party one party gets onboard a
ship the ship sinks the party is splitted in two different ways as the
ocean currents pull them all from different directions and so that's why
the one PC is missing whilst the other party the rest of the party I should say
continue on this tropical Island Adventure land adventure wherever
they happen to end up splitting the part in a dungeon is a similar kind of effect
where was McNab during this last form week session McNab was down the other
alleyway and when McNab returns ie the GM now resumes back as the player
character if that's the case well he was simply wandering around as a wonderful
example of that if you ever watch a film called Shaun of the Dead very early
British film by Simon Pegg and Nick Frost lovely lovely film as a matter of
fact about zombies there's a on the DVD anyway this is a special section where
they talk about remember when we ran around the corridor or the alleyway and
senso ran off to the left and then the next scene sensor ran in from the other
door well here's what happened in between and they literally take you
through what happened whilst the party was split in the film now of course in
the film you don't pay any attention to it for most of the time and so it's a
wonderful little insight so you can do that reasons to go would be another one
I had an instance where a player couldn't make the game and we wanted to
carry on was any one of five players who couldn't make it so he carried on that
player just happened to be visiting a friend or an aunt or recuperating or
what if the situation appropriate state was the challenge that I ran with that
however was that the party themselves moved significant distance over a
significant time shift as well they were five days ahead of the character and
several hundred miles away from the character when that player returned I
somehow had to then reconcile getting that character to the other characters
on the other side of the planet as a game master that required some rather
creative and inventive ways of doing it I think I managed to pull it off without
the players noticing too much but that is something that you're gonna have to
come up with if the party has been split if they have a reason to go in the
opposite direction unlike dreams visions and pocket
dimensions where it's just this weird little twist of time so time itself
hasn't actually changed location hasn't actually changed then an old trick which
I know used to work for especially for all the groups
the past is a ring of forgetfulness I had a game master who used to run a game
where it was every second Sunday in the afternoon and it was a lot of people who
were busy and they had children and the like and so the group probably comprised
of about eight people and total seven players but never seven players could
attend the same session usually it was about four of the seven so all that the
GM did was that there was a ring that every character had it wasn't voluntary
it was a cursed item and when a player couldn't make it the rest of the group
as far as they were concerned they completely forgot about the players
character and as if there had never existed before any equipment any
memories any thoughts of that player character had was simply erased from
history it did require the players to have a certain amount of mental alacrity
in order to be able to remember in a way that was censor and censor never existed
so that means that that didn't happen or it means that that happened but it was
somebody else who did it there was a definite metagame requirement to do that
you can do the same thing when one of the players becomes a GM or when a new
GM comes in and some weird stuff happens if you can manage it the ring of
forgetfulness is possibly the easiest way out but at the same time it's the
least narrative way out of the situation and some people don't like breaking the
narrative with a meta magic item so to speak so those are the ways and means
that we look at having multiple GM's in our games and why we would want to have
multiple GM's or guest GM's now I have had an instance where I had
two GM's was myself and a friend of mine and I think I've spoken about this
before his responsibility was the rules my responsibility was the story so
whenever I would ask the characters right you're moving through quicksand he
would page through the books quickly to find out the rules for moving through
quicksand they would find the rule than him he would ask the players for the
appropriate roles and such like I would be responsible for describing what
happened if they failed or if they succeeded and then he would be
responsible for combat he would organize the maps beforehand he would organize
the minis we used to use minis on grid in those days I think we were
playing fourth edition Dungeons and Dragons and he would pre preempt all of
that whilst I was doing the shopping montage or the in montage or whatever
the situation was it worked really well and the players seemed to respond to the
quickness with which it allowed for rules decisions to be made as well as
for the game to kind of flow and move forward for him he enjoyed listening to
the story and prepping the rules of the mechanics and the light and we ran that
game for about three months I think before eventually he decided that he'd
like to run his own game and I then switched roles to being the rules
support which everyone decided was generally a bad idea anyway it was a
different approach to running a game it was very interesting we would discuss
plot points we would discuss major plot direction and the like but it was
reliant primarily on myself in terms of the narrative side of things having
guessed geum's I love having yes geum's when I can find
them provided that they are up to the same sort of caliber that my players
expect and are not too different in style from myself and that's something
important if you haven't looked at the video on GM stars I suggest you do
trying to find a GM who fits with your style is probably the better way of
replacing or having a guest GM than bringing in a guest Jim who's very
different in if you bring in a simulation as guest GM and you are a
narrative guest GM you are a narrative GM I should say your players are going
to have a strong disconnect their characters that have been built around a
narrative focus are going to struggle in a simulation as game where they are
looking at reality and making sure that everything is absolutely perfect so try
and align those beforehand by just chatting to the guests GM and saying
well this is however my games this is how I would like you to run the game as
well now if you happen to be a guest GM I think the important thing to bear in
mind is that you are here to breathe life into a campaign perhaps you are
here to shed some insight for the GM who will hopefully be participating as a
character in that world and it's your opportunity I think to take an existing
space take an existing and to create a self-contained short
adventure that you can run with a bunch of experienced characters who have
worked together before and just have a bit of fun playing in somebody else's
world try and learn as much from that gym as possible in terms of how they go
about planning things how they go about setting up things and it's always fun to
play with new characters and new players while new players I should say not new
characters new players and yeah to just have fun if you have any other ways of
how you like to incorporate guest gems or if you yourself are a frequent guest
um and you have some insight please let us know down below we would love to hear
it if you haven't yet heard the news I am
running a live game on Twitch that's twitch.tv /great GM I run a live game
every Monday at 6 p.m. Pacific Standard Time where it's called the broken world
Chronicles and there is all about fractured universes multiple dimensions
and the like where the possibility for guest GM's would be quite good as a
matter of fact because there's the characters step out of one world they
step into another and it's a very different environment and so a different
GM could take over without too much of a problem anyway if you haven't joined me
for that have a look out for it it's a lot of fun Sony just kicked off so you
haven't missed too much if you haven't seen it already but if you want to join
in some shenanigans and see how I plan the shows and how I review the show
there after I do that as well half an hour before the show and half an hour
after the show I break down what my plan is for that particular adventure and
then after the show I break down how I tried to bring it back to what my
original plan was after it has gone through the washing machine of
interacting with my characters and with my players so there's lots of insight
there as well that show is also then released on to my other YouTube channel
that's great GM sessions you can find the link down below where you can then
watch it at your leisure in two one-hour blocks there is also a patreon for that
if you want to support that show and the cost thereof and get access to podcasts
and other bits and pieces you can go and have a look at that at patreon.com
forward slash broken world and I look forward to seeing you whether
it's here whether it's there whether it's on the battlefield itself
who knows hopefully we will get to play together at some point or at least you
and your players get to have a good game either this weekend or next weekend or
whatever it is that you happen to play what I'm trying to say in general is
until next time their very happiest of gaming
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