The Prophecy Brothers!
In Color
Starring Brother Man
and Brother Champion.
They are brothers.
They are unorthodox.
Tonight's guest: David Daniels
51 Reasons Why The King James
Good evening!
I'm Brother Man, and this is Brother Champion.
Brother Champion: We're the Prophecy Brothers!
Welcome.
Joining us is Auntie Och (Antioch), formerly Auntie Oligarchy.
There's a little story behind that.
And I'm gonna say this because Our guest, as you can see
on the other end of the screen is David Daniels
from Chick Publications.
And most people who are watching this video right now
are probably watching on the Chick channel.
We had another show, called "The Liberty Show."
And Auntie Oligarchy was "Auntie Oligarchy" then, but
we never thought up a good name for The Prophecy Brothers
she fills in.
We're married.
Champion and I are brothers.
But anyway, David, welcome back to The Prophecy Brothers.
This is time #3!
Champion: Welcome.
David: Yeah!
Man: Well, alright.
I'm gonna ask a favor before we get started here.
The Chick viewers: If you are watching this on
Chick Publications, if you wouldn't mind heading over
to The Prophecy Brothers channel and just liking the video
and subscribing to our channel, if you would be so kind.
And then there's gonna be an audio version of this show
on our website at prophecybrothers.com/51
And the reason "51," is because we are going to be
talking about David's new book, "51 Ways to Leave Your Bible Version:
Slip out the back Jack, Make a new plan, Stan..."
No, "51 Reasons Why the King James."
Champion: That's a good name.
The subtitle, I think that's an important subtitle,
"A Path from Doubt to Faith."
That's the main focus.
To me it was.
It's a tool to bring people to real faith.
Man: You know, David, we'd like to ask you some questions
about some of the 51 points.
Obviously we don't want to go through everything.
We don't have the time for it.
And if we did do it, people wouldn't get the book,
and then read it for themselves, and then share it.
But can you give us a little background, why 51?
David: Well, because 50 is even.
(laughs) Actually in the 51st chapter,
it says, "Just One More Question."
That point about "just one more question" is
You could show a person 50 reasons why you trust the King James Bible,
and he'll say, "Well, can't you answer
just one more?"
And I was like, "That's perfect!"
51!
Because we were grouping together all these questions, and saying,
"Which ones are the ones that really touch people?"
When people write back and they say, "Wow, that got me."
"That helped my faith."
"That lifted me up, and helped me to trust my Bible more."
"I'm grabbing onto my King James.
I'm not letting go of it."
Those kinds of emails, we've got lots of those.
Well, we looked for those kinds of questions,
the ones that were popular with the people themselves,
let them tell us.
And it literally came up to about this number.
It was perfect.
It was wonderful.
Man: Good.
What kind of ... the book came out,
we're filming this in January 2019.
The book came out in October, 2018?
Is that right?
David: Yeah.
Man: Okay.
When you write these books about the King James Bible,
are you getting... before we get into the questions
I want to maybe start here.
I was curious.
I thought about this today.
What kind of push-back do you get from people that aren't,
"King James Only"?
Do you get much push-back, or...
David: Actually, no.
And maybe part of it is because I don't sharpen my teeth at night,
and I don't bite people.
I actually am polite to people.
I tell them, "I'm not trying to make you anything.
I am offering you something that has lifted up my faith.
And it's my duty then, to share as clearly as possible
what I believe, not to put down you.
Because chances are, I was you, I mean,
I was that person."
Like for instance, if I may give an example,
some people want to say things that are less than kind about
Mr. James White.
I used to read James White.
I thought he was great!
Just because I got all this evidence and I've come to where I am,
doesn't mean that therefore, now I get to put down
another brother in Christ.
If he's not where I am, and I'm kind to him,
and I'm not judgmental all over him, and I simply say,
"Well, here's the evidence," and its offered --
actually I've offered it to him; I haven't heard from him yet --
offered it to him, that at least I'm one person
who's not burning a bridge.
So let's say a person does go, "Hey, what if, just maybe,
this guy could be telling the truth (or this view could be correct),
is there anybody who has not burned their bridges with me,
and not been mean to me?
And well, actually, David's been very kind,
so I'll talk to him."
I want to be that guy.
I want to be the one who's not playing that game with people.
Man: And that's probably good for just evangelism in general,
for non-Christians.
David: True!
That's true.
I mean, "Be ye kind"
What part of those 3 words don't we understand?
"And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another..."
"God for Christ's sake" forgave us, (Ephesians 4:32)
We need to also forgive others.
Man: Well, David, we emailed you some questions,
and I think maybe what we'll do is, I'll start off with mine,
and then Auntie has some, and then I'm sure
we'll wrap up with Brother Champion.
I'm sure he's gonna have some too.
Champion: I've got 2 pages.
David: Just rapid-fire them!
Just go for it!
Let's see what happens.
Man: Let's talk about Chapter 6.
And maybe this goes in a little bit about the push-back
and about the different... about how you treat people
and the journey that you came on.
David: Okay.
Man: Chapter 6, it's titled, "It Doesn't Matter
How Far Off the Path You Get..."
And it seems that there is a growing belief that
there are many ways to heaven.
The pope, for example, is gathering people from all religions,
non-religions, as you say in the book, "Baptists to Buddhists...
Qur'an followers to the United Bible Societies,"
Even atheists, Christians of all denominations.
But the thing is, while they want to be inclusive
for everybody, it seems that they're inclusive to everybody,
except the King James and the Fundamentalists.
And they see us as a danger.
And clearly you had just said that you don't approach it that way.
But why do they consider the King James
and the Fundamentalists, dangerous and violent?
David: Well, first of all, if you look in the book you'll see
"Fundamentalists" and "idealogues" and [pope Francis] is saying,
"In ideologies there is not Jesus..."
Oh, brother.
And then he talks about how violent these people are,
with their violent ideologies.
And it doesn't even matter if they're violent physically, or not.
"It's the ideology that's violent!"
Yeah, right.
The Catholic church is gonna lecture Christians about violence.
But when you think about this, the truth is,
what really threatens people is someone
who doesn't need a religion telling him or her what to do.
If somebody tells you "You do this, and then
I will let you into heaven," I'm the one who has all the power,
and you're my servant.
But when you believe the scriptures, which is what they really need,
if you actually believe the scriptures, then you lift the scriptures
above yourself.
But you also lift them above every pope.
They say, "Well, you have a paper pope!"
I say, "No, I have the word of God!"
I don't need a man-book.
It's the God-Book.
It's the one and only.
And it's above even me.
So there's nothing that you can do to put me in a religion,
that I have to do this or that, to get to heaven.
I obey This Guy: the Guy who wrote This Book.
And that's all I need to do.
And that's threatening to religions, because they're power-base
is now threatened.
Man: Cutting out the middle man.
David: Yeah.
God doesn't even want us talking to angels.
He doesn't want any middle man, except for,
1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God, and one mediator
between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"
That's our only mediator.
And for the pope or for any religion,
that's a threat.
That's why they'll say anything, do anything,
to get people to put us down, because we don't have them
for our authority.
We have scripture for our authority.
Champion: Amen.
Man: Yeah.
Here's one that surprised me, Chapter 16,
When someone is King James Only, and they see that as their Bible,
"Muslims Can't Use It Against You."
How do Muslims use that against Christians?
David: Actually, it's really simple.
And my son Michael, my oldest son--
I have 4 sons and a daughter; now that they're older
I can say that I have those; I've kept them quiet
for many years.
But my oldest son, he'd go out through this area
around here, and anywhere he'd go,
it doesn't matter what Muslim he talked to,
or what age group, or anything, they'd always say the same thing.
"You have many Bi--- Man: Oh, you just froze, David.
David: ---ble versions" and he says...
What?
Man: Could you start that over again?
I'm sorry.
You just froze.
David: Oh.
Man: Now you're moving.
David: Okay.
Man: You can start that over again.
David: Okay.
Sure.
From the beginning?
Man: So Michael was out...
David: My son Michael would go out to the different malls,
until they'd kick him out, because they'd see him,
"Unless you're buying something, you can't be here."
But he'd talk to people and ask them questions.
And when he talked to Muslims, any age group or background,
or socio-economic status, they all said the same thing.
"You have many Bible versions.
And God is not the author of confusion,
your own Bible says."
And he'd go, "Well, No, I don't have many Bibles."
And they'd say, "Well, what do you have?
The King James?"
And he'd say, "As a matter of fact, yes."
And it stops the argument.
Because they know that if you say, "I have one Bible
and I have the King James," they have connected
with enough people that they know
they don't have another Bible.
They don't trust another Bible.
They don't switch between Bibles.
They can't be grabbed by contradictions between texts,
because they have only one.
The Muslims like to believe, even though their own books
say it's not so, that Allah through the angel
just handed down the Qur'an, to Muhammad,
but that's not really the case.
What's really the case is all sorts of different things happened
over the years, he'd go into a trance,
but then he'd come out of it, and then he'd start spouting stuff,
and people would write on anything, including bone, the wall, anything,
scribbling that stuff down.
And eventually there were different groupings of them.
And that's how the real Qur'an came together.
Nonetheless, they believe, and they usually teach,
that it was just handed down from God.
The closest thing to that and their mindset, at all,
is the Christian idea that God gave one Bible.
That we have one preserved word, and this is
the only thing that we will trust.
And we don't trust anything else.
And honestly these men and women
can respect that.
They respect that.
They may not believe what you believe,
but they respect your belief.
My son even--
Auntie: I was just gonna say, are there
many versions of the Qur'an?
David: Actually there have been.
If you see them in English, though, they're not called "versions."
They're called "translations" only.
They will not call them versions.
They teach there is one, but there were some
really famous battles, where people were killed,
and they picked one over another, and, yeah.
But nowadays there is pretty much only
one main text, sort of, on the Wahhabi side.
And then one with the Shi'a.
Man: Right.
People don't know what list I'm going off of right here.
But the next one on my list, Chapter 30,
the King James "Keeps Jesus Sinless."
I guess, how do other Bible versions
show Jesus as sinful?
David: Well, the easiest one, and it was one of my first vlogs--
the first one-- and it's the beginning of...
Why They Changed the Bible?
No, it was the beginning of Look What's Missing.
There we go.
I was trying to remember which book it is.
It's the beginning of this one.
It's John chapter 7...
There we go, thank you!
John 7 verse 8.
And it's powerful, because people can't --
well, they try to weasel their way around it.
But the truth is, There are two places
where it says, "not yet."
One at the beginning, and one at the end of the verse.
And they are very, very important.
John 7:8 is a simple question.
Jesus is sitting around in Galilee.
And it's time to go down to Jerusalem.
And the brothers are saying, Are you coming with us?
And the question is, what did Jesus answer?
Because we know, when He answered His brothers,
two verses later, He did go to Jerusalem.
So the question is, did He say, "I am NOT going,"
or "I'm not going YET"?
That simple point, the difference between
"not" and "not yet," is the difference between whether
Jesus told the truth, or told a lie.
Now if He told a lie, that's a bad thing!
He cannot be the sinless Son of God.
Just that one verse alone.
And I was at Fuller Seminary, and that was, Ralph Martin,
and he's talking about that verse, and talking about, "See?
There's kinds of lies you can do, and other lies you can't do,"
and you know, "Even Jesus lied."
And then there was that guy, [before] I had done that vlog
[actually after Look What's Missing Came out],
he sent me a recording of a local radio station
from a Bible college where the professor
was the host on the radio station.
And he said that Jesus lied.
And that it's okay for us to lie, you know, within reason,
because Jesus lied to his brothers.
And that's not just a slippery slope.
That's a huge doctrine.
How many lies does it take to make a liar?
Just one.
And you cannot be sinless, when you've committed a sin.
So that's one place, and it's the best one to do,
because it's easy to remember John 7:8.
There's a whole story about it.
But so many different Bibles-- what, 22 different Bibles--
show him as, sinful?
And yet this is in all these Bibles And the ones
that don't have it changed...
Oh!
The NIV!
It had it right for many years, from 1984, right through the years
and had it right.
And then when the 2011 came out, SWITCH!
They made Him into a liar.
After all those years, "Et tu, NIV?"
Yes.
And when you are a Bible college student,
that really affects you.
And when you are doing personal Bible study,
and you are reading those scriptures, and you are going,
"Wait, it says He went.
I mean, the author knew He went.
So, is lying okay?
Maybe lying isn't a sin?"
You see the problems there?
And when you look at the Barna surveys,
and the Lifeway surveys, and the various other ones,
2010, 2013, 2014, that have asked people
about what their view is of Jesus, it's wrapped around that Bible.
"Oh, Jesus lied, He sinned, He was a bro'..."
But was He divine?
And 8% of them, according to statistics,
will still say, "Yeah, He was divine."
But the others say, "He wasn't divine."
So they even lose the divinity of Christ,
simply because their Bible doesn't support
a divine Christ.
People say, "No major doctrine is affected by a change."
I gave you just ONE.
Just 3 letters, 3 Greek letters affected.
And one English word, 3 letters, affected.
And it changes the entire doctrine of Christ.
Champion: That one verse by itself could lead people to accept
the Antichrist.
David: Technically, I don't think you're wrong.
Man: And it's ... As I was reading that I thought,
Is David just over-reacting here?
But when you think it through, what the Bible teachers
will say in the colleges, because they extrapolate
from that one little thing, that it just goes... leads...
And if you're one degree off, and you go so many miles,
you're going to be hundreds of miles,
thousands of miles off.
David: Well, exactly.
And from there you can go to other verses
and see other things that He did.
Once you make Him a liar, you make Him a sinner.
Then He can be sinful because it says, Jesus said [in Matthew 5:22]
"...whosoever is angry with his brother
without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment"
Well, guess what?
"Without a cause" is missing from these Bibles.
And Jesus got angry.
And so the "without a cause" part is really important,
because He had a cause.
That's His Father's house, and they were making it
a house of merchandise.
[John 2:16] Right?
So because of these things, you make Him
a liar and a sinner, He's no longer
the sinless Son of God.
So who are you putting faith in?
Auntie: And it turns into putting faith into the professors,
and the scholars, and not the word of God.
David: And again, like I said before,
on that video that you just saw, the one that
just came out yesterday ["Satan's Plans Are Unraveling"],
I'm not talking from early on in history, saying,
"This is going to happen."
I'm talking from the surveys.
I'm talking from the actual analyses of what's happened,
and the analyses of what's happened with the churches and the members,
and what they believe, and what the public believes.
And from here I'm saying, "No, this is what HAPPENED."
They say, "The Bibles are 99% the same."
And I say, "Isn't it amazing what
the Devil can do with 1%."
Champion: Right.
Man: Well, Chapter 42 in this maybe leads sort of to that:
"Was Jesus God on Earth?
NIVs Don't Seem to Think So."
How can that be?
David: John 3:13 was an interesting scripture for me,
because for years, when I was in Bible college,
I was taught, "Oh, that's a silly addition."
It wasn't until I came to the King James already
through other evidences, and then I read it,
and I went, "Wait a second."
John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven,
but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man
WHICH IS IN HEAVEN."
He's in heaven and on earth, at the same time.
And I have a friend-- I can't tell her name,
because that would probably not be a good idea--
we had a conversation one night.
It was one of those Facebook conversations.
And we're typing back and forth, and as we're doing that,
I'm telling her all these things to show that Jesus
didn't empty Himself of Godhood, and then have to be a sinner,
and then have to pay for His sins in hell,
being punished for three days and three nights--
which I tell about in one of my videos, and in here.
There's more in my interview with Tim Berends,
on the YouTube channel.
In these verses, they changed them to say
that Jesus had to die and be punished for His sins
for 3 days and 3 nights, then get born again in hell,
then burst forward with massive power, and all that stuff.
Then they can rationalize the verses that say
that Jesus was a sinner, see?
You see how that works?
But when it says that He is on earth and in heaven,
it reminds you of something really big:
He's God, remember?
He's not God minus, He's God plus.
That's why, when you get to Philippians 2,
if you get out your Bible and you look up Philippians 2,
and it talks about Jesus.
When you read it in the King James, it tells you something
you need to know.
And that's not the God minus, it's God plus.
Because in Philippians 2 it tells you that He didn't make himself "nothing"
but made Himself "of no reputation".
Then it says [Philippians 2:7], "took upon him
the FORM of a servant."
See?
He didn't lose something.
He TOOK ON something.
He's God plus.
100% God, and 100% man.
"the form of a servant, and was made
in the likeness of men."
So when you looked at Him, He didn't look like God.
But He wasn't not-God, because He took ON Himself.
If He had emptied Himself, He wouldn't have
put it ON Himself."
He would have simply BECOME it, which is called modalism.
When God BECOMES a man, or something changes,
that is modalism.
And then it says [Philippians 2:8] "And being found
in fashion as a man."
You see what is happening?
They're seeing the man-stuff, but He's really God.
"...he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death,
even the death of the cross."
And of course, the Bible makes it very clear
that it's DEATH that was the end of things for Him.
And when He was on the cross, what did He say?
"It is STARTED"?
"Oh no, the next 3 days are gonna be
a really bad thing for Me"?
"Talk to me in 4"?
No, He said, "It is finished" [John 19:30],
when it was done, He had paid for sins.
But there's a whole bunch of false teachers running around,
that are using this, and they are justified by
their false Bibles.
But when you have the King James...
And that's the thing, I was having this conversation
and went over these verses with my friend,
and she got her NIV out.
Because she was a King James person,
but she was over 20 years reading NIV,
so she was getting out the NIV.
And every verse that I was telling her, she was going,
"This is completely different in my NIV!"
Every single one of those verses.
So if I knew every one of those verses, pretend
I knew all these verses now.
And then I got out the NIV.
NONE of that would be there.
None of it.
But when I have a King James, it clearly shows me that
Jesus is God plus man.
He's not God minus God, plus man, and then sinful,
then punished for sins, then pays for sins,
then gets born again, and then, POOF!
gets to be God again.
That is a teaching, though.
Auntie: Yeah.
Champion: Would that be a part of the "Jesus-only" doctrine?
David: I think that's a little different, but I really am not sure.
I don't know enough about whether there are teachers
on that side.
I haven't heard of those people for a long time.
Champion: I was gonna bring a book.
We have a church in town.
I work with a couple of people that are part of that,
but I guess we can get into that later.
But one of the things that they say is Matthew 28 was added in later on,
so that's why they don't always use the King James.
And they don't have it.
They come up with that.
And they think that the Catholics put that in there.
David: Oh, my.
Champion: You ever heard anything like that?
David: Well, no, because there's no historical evidence,
even in the tiniest little bit for that.
Plus, God said He'd preserved His words.
So when you find the people that God says
that you would be looking for, with the characteristics
He's looking for, and they're persecuted,
like God said they'd be, look what Bible they're reading!
And oh!
It's the same as the one that I've got here.
So I'm sticking with this one.
I'm sticking with the Bible of the persecuted believers.
There's no way...
What they've done is they've taken God out of the equation.
Because God is the One Who promised to preserve His words.
And Jesus Himself, the One they're calling
their "only God," said [Mark 13:31] "Heaven and earth shall pass away:
but my words shall not pass away."
What's He saying?
"I lost control -- oh, well" ?
Because there is no history of a non-Matthew 28 Gospel.
Champion: Right.
Well, I think that they don't say the whole thing
wasn't in there, but there's portions of it that ...
David: Wow.
Champion: I just thought...
That's for another show.
David: I learned something.
I've learned something from you that I did not know.
That is amazing.
Champion: I'll send you a copy of the book.
David: Alright.
And if you read "Destined for the Throne,"
by Paul Billheimer, you'll see that that was backed,
that Jesus had to die, and be punished for sins,
and go through all of that in hell, and be tortured
for 3 days and 3 nights, by all the hosts of the Devil,
before He gets born again.
And the endorsement at the front is by Billy Graham,
and it was sold by Paul Crouch, given out to people
who give donations to Paul Crouch at TBN.
It's been out for a long time.
People have endorsed that.
And it's like -- Did you READ the book?
And then there's a lot of the kind of teachers you see
on television and the Internet, who are teaching this teaching, too.
That's what happens when you leave this Book.
What's amazing is, how do you know this Book?
There's an easy way.
Jesus said, "Ye shall know them by their ...
their fruits."
Exactly.
Well, I look at the fruit, and it helps me know the root.
I know the fruit of this.
For over 400 years, the fruit of this has been faith.
But in every modern Bible-- and back when
I was still a modern Bible person, and I was doing all my stuff,
getting ready to go out, Debbie and I trained
to go out with Wycliffe Bible Translators/
Summer Institute of Linguistics, and we were preparing to go out
with Pioneer Bible Translators to Papua New Guinea,
I had all this background, I got all my seminary education,
all of this behind us, I still did notice one thing
over the years.
And that's that you don't have a history of revival
that follows any non-King James English Bible.
NONE.
There isn't ONE.
It's a big, fat ZERO.
But when you look at the people who come back to faith,
who seek the Lord, this is the one Book
that has all that connected to it.
Plus the largest missionary movement in the history of the earth --
people believing this Book.
My ancestors, after they crossed over
on the Mayflower, a number of them had
Geneva Bibles allegedly, although we can't find any.
The one we have is John Alden's Bible,
and it's King James.
They came over in 1620.
The next generation that came over into this country
were King James believers.
Not just users, believers.
They didn't spend their time writing books to disagree.
They were trying to make their lives come in accordance with
what it said.
There's a difference, in every way I can think of,
with this Book.
And again, the reason this is written [51 reasons]
is to lift up faith, and saying, "You don't really have to
run around, looking to every wind of doctrine,
and every new teacher, to tell you
what you can believe or not.
You just go right to this book, get on your knees,
talk to the Author, and ask Him by His holy Spirit
to reveal what He said."
So much easier.
Champion: Amen.
Man: So did the Bible versions... does that lead to
different denominations?
Or did different denominations lead to different Bible versions?
David: Chicken and the egg, huh?
The thing about that is denominations are usually
about procedures.
Some of them start with doctrines.
Basically, they are trying to get away from the
more liberal denominations, the ones that are compromising,
they try to get away from those.
But they also separate because somebody wants to do
something different.
Like a "Two Bushels and a Peck Baptist Church,"
and a "Bushel and a Peck Baptist Church,"
People will split over really interesting issues.
I'm surprised there are not "green carpet vs red carpet."
But now, maybe there are.
Those aren't denominations.
Those are just church splits.
But nonetheless, usually I think those are procedural.
But they're not based upon the Bible itself.
They're usually based upon people departing from the Bible
and somebody else wanting to split away
to get closer to the Bible.
Man: Alright, Auntie, did you have some questions?
Auntie: Yeah.
This is kind of going backwards in time now.
In the latter part of the book you referenced
that you personally had a testimony, if you will,
that dealt with coming out of the occult.
And I was just wondering if you could give your testimony.
David: Elaborate?
Alright, well, I still remember
the big, over sized pencil (because it wasn't a regular pencil,
it was an over sized one), as a 9 year old,
on "6-7-72" (June 7th, 1972), writing into my
(not Spanish, but English) "This Was Your Life!"
you've probably got one there, signing my name,
that I had prayed to receive Jesus.
I was told to go to a church that taught Jesus Christ.
I had read that tract.
You can watch on YouTube.
You can see the story.
I've told the story numerous different places
on YouTube, on the channel.
But after I'd read the tract, and he said,
"Do you want to receive Jesus as your Saviour?"
And I said Yes, I prayed with him.
And he said, "Go to a church
that teaches Jesus Christ."
I had a friend who went to a Baptist church
where basically, Jesus wasn't talked about,
in the times I went.
And that was kind of a non-event.
But my other best friend went to the Church of Jesus Christ...
of Latter-Day Saints.
So I became a Mormon, thinking I was a Christian.
It was a really big surprise one day when I went to the Stake Center
and I thought we were gonna get some pancakes,
and I found out S-T-A-K-E really just meant
a really, really, really, really boring meeting that you sit in on.
But we went to the temple in L.A. to do baptisms for the dead.
I was the only person I knew who would tell people,
and would say, "Did you know that they have
these white bulls and this giant baptistery
and you go in there, and they turn the microfilm,
and they baptize you in the name of all sorts of dead people?
And so I got to do baptisms in the temple and all that stuff,
again, thinking I was a Christian [that it was a Christian group].
And at the same time, every 30 days,
every month or a couple, whatever, I'd take a ...
these are new ones, but I'd get on my bike or my skateboard,
whatever, and I'd go all the way across town
to the Christian Light Bookstore.
And I'd buy the newest Chick tract, and bring it home, and read it.
I didn't know.
It wasn't till much later that I found out the beliefs
weren't exactly, you know, "mainstream Christianity."
But my dad then, wanted to "tell me the truth."
And I believed my dad.
So I went from being a Mormon to being a pantheist.
So we went to the Religious Science church,
and then eventually moved in with him,
and in high school, we ended up moving out
past Palm Springs.
I went to Palm Springs High School.
And we took something called the "est Training."
And I got a spirit guide that told me things,
and taught me stuff.
In Palm Springs I was a very weird person.
In fact, I was doing very strange things.
The est training was so strange that I would repeat
what my trainer had said.
That was Mahoney.
I'd walk around, touching physical objects, saying,
"This is an illusion.
Characteristic of an illusion, it is hard and persistent."
And I'd touch something else.
"This is an illusion.
Characteristic of an illusion, it is hard and persistent."
That's what they said in the training.
And I actually said that out loud.
And one day we went out to play baseball,
and one guy, he went "Man, I'm on reds.
And you're weird!"
I had strange things happening during high school,
especially during that last year and a half
or so.
I would get a thought in my mind, talk about something with a person,
and then this thought would hit me.
I'd, without looking, grab a book I'm not even looking at,
opening it up, put my finger on it, and where my finger was,
was what I had just said.
That happened over and over and over again.
I joined the Unity church, Unity School of Christianity,
which is another version like Christian Science,
Religious Science, Unity, Divine Science.
They're all part of the "New Thought Movement."
And the minister there, I'm not sure if he's still alive.
I haven't seen him online.
At one point he said, "I know people
who've been in Unity for 60 years, and they can't do
the things you've done in 6 months."
I used to stare at clouds, and cover the other ones up
with my hands, and watch the ones I was staring at
disappear, and have witnesses.
I did weird stuff.
I'd think thoughts And his daughter could hear them
in her head.
Very strange, weird stuff.
But I thought I was seeking truth.
All this time I thought I was just
following the truth.
"We're the true Christians," this is what I believed,
because I was following and believing my dad.
But then finally in August of 1980, everything turned around,
and part of that story is already online.
But ultimately I ended up on top of the roof of
our squatter's shack where I lived in the desert.
I said, "In the name of the Father, and the Son,
and the Holy Ghost, lightning, strike!"
And it struck.
And I said, "I am a prophet of God!"
And then I heard these words:
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into
the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of
my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
(Matthew 7:21-23)
And all I could see in my mind was this naked guy
in front of a big screen saying, "This Was Your Life!"
And I went-- Oh, I've got it here!
Hold on...
That was quick!
Man: There's the Bible, yeah.
David: The mule-choking, King James Bible!
This is the exact, identical copy, same printing,
it was in the same [kind of] plastic, in the same [kind of] box.
I ordered it 30 years later after I gave mine away by mistake,
not thinking about it.
It took me 30 years to get hold of one.
I got it!
So I got my mule-choking King James Bible,
because I knew those words were God's.
And I sat there flipping through the scriptures,
knowing it had to be in the red letters.
But I started to Mark, went to John, didn't find it,
went to Matthew 28, and there it was - Matthew 7:21-23.
And I'm sitting there in the house, and my dad is watching television,
and I say to myself, silently, "God is on my roof."
So I grabbed the Bible like this, grabbed a flashlight,
and climbed back up on my roof.
I had actually meditated a storm that night,
and the big old thing had come up along the San Andreas Fault,
down south of our house.
And when this happened, everything stopped.
The wind stopped, the clouds stopped.
Everything stopped.
It was as though Somebody had pressed Pause on the universe.
It was really cool.
Being a 17 year old, I was scared to death.
And then I started reading this right here,
and looking at it, and then
the wind blew from the opposite side.
'Cause I'm facing north, and the storm had been
over here on the east.
And the wind suddenly blew on the west, like this
(except not like that).
Right back to this page.
This page.
Here it is.
And where my eye landed was right ... there.
This side here was flipping around,
and my eye landed, with my flashlight, right in that corner.
And it says, "And lest thou lift up thine eyes
unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun,
and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven,
shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them,
which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations
under the whole heaven."
(Deuteronomy 4:19)
And that is exactly what the spirits
had been leading me to do.
I was doing that verse.
As soon as I finished reading that verse, though,
the wind blew from the opposite direction
and then did this, and waggled like this.
And then I shined the flashlight here.
And right there was another of my direct sins,
and another, and another, and another.
As soon as I finished reading one, the pages would go
the other direction.
Literally, God using the wind, gave me
my very first Bible study.
And the theme was, "This Was Your Life."
This is your sin.
You are trying-- and I was,
the previous Thursday I had decided
to blend all the religions together.
Since I was going to forget about everything else,
and trying to be that "Bible thing," I'm just gonna
blend all religions together.
I'd left the Unity church that morning.
That was August 24th, 1980.
And from the last Thursday I tried to think of all the religions
and throw out the dos and don'ts.
And I found out that my life was recorded in the commands
in this Book.
And I had just broken them, left and right.
And as soon as I finished reading one, it would go to the next, so
I learned about sin, righteousness and judgment
from the sin, righteousness and judgment Book, right here.
And I realized my guilt fully.
Now I had prayed to receive Jesus, but now I needed to come back.
There's a word for that: I needed to repent.
I needed to turn myself back to the Lord,
and away from all the things I was facing.
And I was facing a lot of really bad stuff.
And that's why I'm not showing you the verses the Lord showed me.
Because, you want to know why
I am a Bible fanatic?
Because God made me a Bible fanatic.
I stopped reading all those other, piles of books.
In fact, I burned them.
I kind of Acts 17ed them.
I took them and made a big pile and poured lighter fluid all over them,
not right then, the next day,
when my dad was gone.
And then lit them on fire.
We burned our trash in the desert.
We didn't have trash pickup.
That was - the 70s.
What can you say?
Well, it was '80.
But anyway, it wouldn't burn.
I lit it, and nothing.
So I prayed and I asked God,
"Please, let this stuff burn."
And I did it again.
WHOOSH!!
I was like, "Dude!"
And every weird, mixed up verse of Amazing Grace you can think of,
I got them all wrong.
I didn't care, I was so excited!
I knew I was saved.
I knew I'd turned to the right God.
I knew that I had the word.
I knew I didn't need to go anywhere else.
And then, after a couple of months, and another person later,
I dropped this Book entirely, got the New American Standard,
and started on a totally different direction.
But you know what?
God is sovereign.
God is incredible.
And if it weren't for that, I wouldn't be able to tell you guys
the story of all the journey
that happened in between, of all the books I got to read,
all the studies I got to do, all the scholars
I got to listen to.
And how God brought me through the evidence,
to find out that this [King James] was right to begin with.
So you really asked a big question.
Auntie: That's great.
Champion: That's good.
We've got those Bibles at our Bible studies,
so that's good.
Auntie: Yeah!
I like that!
Man: Yeah, we've got 5 in the other room,
like that size.
David: I had no problem taking this with me.
When I did, people knew I carried occultic books
with me all the time, and things like that.
I just carried this with me.
It didn't mean -- It was no problem for me.
I was not embarrassed.
I was following the God of the universe.
I've written in different places about talks I'd had with God--
I think it's in here, and how I believed, that,
Lord, people told me that they had big committees
and put things in the Bible and took other things out.
And I said, God, You are big enough to superintend--
you know, like a superintendent of schools?--
to superintend the scriptures, so what You want in, is in,
and what You want out, is out.
And I'm not gonna question You.
And so then, almost 20 years later, when I finally got on
the right track again...
18 years later?
'98 -- November 30, 1998 -- yes, 18 years later...
at that point I had to take one more step.
And I said, Lord, I have criticized the translation.
And I've fought with how it's translated, and
the meaning of the text, and going through the Greek
and the Hebrew, and blah, blah, blah...
I said, I'm stopping now.
I'm just gonna believe that what You wanted here,
in my language, is what You wanted here.
The fruit is there.
I have to believe this is what You wanted.
And from that day forward, I had power in witnessing.
Not before, but from that day forward.
So much so, that I threatened a bunch of
Jehovah's Witnesses just by showing them scripture
and talking with a guy and his son.
And within about 5 minutes, the whole street around our house,
all the women and children disappeared.
And the Jehovah's Witnesses formed up in a Jericho march,
3x3x3x3, all the way down, 3 x 7, 21 men
marching around my house.
We live on a U-shaped street.
So they're marching around my house.
And I went over to the fence.
And I said, "Does any of you read Greek?"
And one guy comes forward.
I said, "Good!
I have the manuscripts.
I want to read them with you!
I want to go over some scriptures with you!"
Because I wanted to go over Isaiah, I wanted to go over Philippians.
I wanted to have some fun with this guy.
Then he turned around, and went back
and marched back into formation, and just kept marching away.
And then I jumped over the fence, went out into the street,
and I said, "I just don't want you guys
to go to HELL!!"
I had some neighbors across the street
I found out were Jehovah's Witnesses.
They were not nice to us after that.
But nonetheless, I not only kept my faith,
I had challenged the man to be honest before his son,
and look up the things that I had shown him.
So it was like the boldness came in, because I had the confidence
that this is what God said.
And now, that was back!
So yes, it had an 18-year hiatus, but it was worth it, you know?
Because now, almost 20 years, I've been with this [King James].
And I am the happiest man!
Champion: Amen.
Auntie: Amen.
Well, you kind of answered my other question,
about providing confidence, most definitely.
This is great.
Why would people be "ashamed" of
the King James Version today?
I mean, why would that BE a thing?
David: It's a funny thing.
I love this, because we lived it.
You know, with 5 kids, you live this.
When we came to the King James, as I've said, I cried for 24 hours,
off and on.
Because like, "Aaaah!
What am I gonna do?!"
It's the truth!
I'm stuck!
I'd used the New King James for 10 years, at that point.
I'd been kind of a Majority Text type person,
and trying to work all that stuff out.
And I was like, "Aaaah!"
And I went to the Bible bookstore and spent like $400,
buying my family new Bibles.
Because I had to, I was convicted about it!
Um, I forgot where I was going with that.
Auntie: Oh, I was asking why people were ashamed...
David: Right!
Because, Thank you.
What happens is, people will tell you,
"Oh, it's too hard!"
And I'm going, "Wait a second.
You've got a PhD, and you say you've learned
Greek or Hebrew, or Swahili, or Russian or whatever,
and you say the King James is too hard,
with a few English words?"
I mean, we sing them.
"My Country ____ of ____" ('Tis of Thee)
Auntie: (Laughs) I was filling in the blanks for you!
David: That's the whole idea!
The whole idea is, we have it built into
our whole vocabulary anyway, and there's so few words.
Get a Bible Companion, if you need the extra words.
That's why I wrote the Bible Companion.
That's why it was the first book that I wrote,
that little dictionary.
Because I was telling these ministers,
I was making my own, because nobody seemed to have one.
Heyyy!
There you go! (seeing Champion's Bible Companion)
Nobody seemed to have one, and the ones who did [seem to],
the one I thought was supposed to be a dictionary,
was actually just substituting New American Standard words.
I was like, "That's not what that word means."
So I had to look them up myself, and all of this,
it's a whole story, all of itself.
But the Bible Companion, then, you just stick it with your Bible,
thus the name, Bible Companion, and then these words
won't be archaic to you anymore.
And you can read it.
And by the way, you have perfect timing, because,
we have just finished the initial writing for,
and are going into the editing stage of a book on
how easy it is to read the King James.
But they try to shame you into saying It's hard to learn
the King James.
But when my kids, some of them as early as four,
were reading the King James, they didn't have any problems.
When kids can do it, and they have,
for generation after generation, and when I read my history books,
I find out it was youth ministers, going back,
generation after generation, who kept telling their kids
they couldn't read it.
Well, that's awfully funny, because each generation can.
It's the leaders who are telling the people they can't.
And when they shame them, saying, "You don't want
an archaic Bible, do you?"
"You don't want an old Bible like that;
You want something contemporary, updated..."
You know, I want what God said.
I don't want some man's personal preferences,
in place of what God said.
But they try to shame you.
And they try to make it like, "Oh, what a shame.
All you've got is the King James.
Poor you.
You know, you need to have the New, Updated, Improved,
Multiple-Choice Version.
Not only can you have verses, you can have any verses you want!
Auntie: That would probably go along with my last question
that I had.
Are the "updated" Bibles basically dumbed-down?
David: They are more than dumbed-down.
They are man's preference.
They are personal preference Bibles.
There was a time when the King James Bible
was the only Bible in town.
And I found out from Ron here at Chick,
that they used to sell different kinds of Bibles.
And they had women's Bibles in different colors,
to match their purses.
They'd do something to get the Bible companies
to be able to sell more Bibles.
Because when you had a Bible, this was like "The Bible."
This was "My Bible."
"I've had it for 30 years.
I'll have it for 30 years more."
And they'd say, "We don't have a workable way
to continue selling Bibles that way."
I don't know.
Maybe help the other people to get saved,
to get them Bibles?
"Oh, no, no, no.
We've got to sell them to the same people,
over and over again."
So they had different variations.
And then finally the idea of switching different versions--
which is getting to another book I'm gonna be writing,
telling where the New King James actually came from,
and the history of Thomas Nelson Publishing,
and how they got into the Bible translation issues,
and what they did about it.
That's another story.
How the Jesuit came in, and the Catholic church,
all sorts of fun things.
That's coming up.
That's another book, a couple down.
But all these things are happening to shame people
into thinking you have "this sad old Bible,"
and that you need a new one.
Well, they want to sell Bibles, one.
The Bible publishers want to sell stuff.
So every time they can have a new version,
that is good for them.
It's good for sales.
But for faith?
It's absolutely horrible and detrimental.
And one reason they'll shame others, into feeling bad or whatever,
is because if you have this Bible, they're no longer your teacher.
This is your teacher.
They're just a person with suggestions.
See, I don't get to be the Bible Master.
I simply get to be another brother in Christ,
who is pointing out the scriptures, and saying,
"No, this is the Final Authority, I'm not."
And there's an awful lot of ministries with people's names on them,
that don't want that.
They want to have "So-and-so, so-and-so study Bible."
"So-and-so, so-and-so ministry."
And I know we're "Chick Publications,"
but Chick didn't name it.
It was the printer who did.
Jack was stuck.
He wanted it to be something like, "In His Service," or something.
The printer went "Nope!
You're already published.
You're Chick Publications."
He never liked that.
But it is what it is.
That's why he drew a little chick, a little bird.
He didn't want it connected like it was him [Jack Chick].
But my point is, there are these ministries
and the ministries make themselves like, whether it's a man or a woman,
"I'm the person who can give you joy and peace and Holy Ghost."
No.
It all comes from this book, right here.
And that's a threat, not just to popes,
but also to big ministries, where they rely upon their ability
to "interpret" scripture.
Auntie: It's a threat to the publishers,
and the marketing, and big business, and...
David: Do you see how big it is?
And to all the people who want themselves
to have the glory.
Auntie: Yes.
David: I don't want to have the glory.
With all the videos and stuff I say, "Look, if I'm wrong, tell me.
And show me.
Just like with the Sinaiticus stuff.
I found out I was wrong.
I've already written 3 different books I had to change.
Their new printings are out, and they had to be changed,
because I was wrong.
And it's not about my ego, because everybody has an ego.
But that's irrelevant.
It's not my Book.
It's God's Book, and I've got to be honest about
God's Book, because I'm serving God.
Those people, those big ministries
don't talk that way.
Because they feel that God isn't gonna honor them.
The Bible says [Psalm 75:6-7],
"6 For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west,
nor from the south.
7 But God is the judge: he putteth down one,
and setteth up another."
That's His job.
So if we're humble, and polite, we can stay with one Bible.
And oh, doesn't it make
a great church service, where everybody
can read from the same Bible?
Auntie: Yes!
Amen.
Champion: Amen.
Man: Amen.
David: And then, when you judge things by it,
you go, "Well, I have a different interpretation
of that verse."
That's fine.
But the words are final.
You may work on how to understand those words.
Like I say, "I may not understand
every word of this Bible, but I believe
every word of this Bible."
Because I believe the Authority behind it and...
People say to you, "Do you worship the Bible?"
Have you heard that one: "Do you worship the Bible?"
I say, Well, there are 2 meanings to "worship,"
you know.
I don't bow before it and give it alms,
and pray to it and ask it to give me stuff.
But I do "admit its worth," which is the other meaning.
That's another story.
I'll get to that some other time.
But I do believe in the massive worth if this Book.
There is no book worth this Book.
This Book is worth every other book that I had,
If every other book in the world were destroyed,
I want this one.
I'm holding this one.
I'll die for this one.
I won't do that for any other book.
Champion: Amen.
Man: Champion?
Champion: I've got all kinds of notes down here.
But the main thing, when I was listening to your book,
in the electronic form, right away I noticed that
this is a real good book for everybody.
But I think this is something that a lot of have,
as far as Chapter 1.
You're talking about does the Bible teach
did Jesus say, "Go and teach" or "Go and make disciples"?
At our church, we're officially
a King James Bible church.
We're non-denominational, but we fellowship with
different church groups in the area.
Some of them are like a Rick Warren type.
They don't use the King James.
We use some of their Bible studies sometimes.
David: Yeah.
Champion: This is one of the things that has come up recently.
"The Bible really says, 'Go make disciples'."
But what you're saying is, "Does it really say that?"
Can you talk about that?
David: Yeah.
What's amazing is my son Matthew,
that's my 2nd of 4 sons, Matthew has been
teaching himself Greek.
He taught himself Koine Greek.
He took all the books that they teach
in the seminaries and the Bible colleges
and universities, he went to their books,
and literally memorized and went through them.
But he already had a faith that this [King James Bible]
is God's words.
And we would talk about it together, the linguistics of it.
And he was able to find out where these guys --
just like I learned in advanced Greek at Fuller--
where these guys were inconsistent.
And they were actually spreading false Greek rules that caused
false translations in Bibles.
And the issue, when he started learning
Classical Greek in addition -- now he's teaching himself
Classical Greek-- he's saying, No, it is the word "teach."
And that is exactly what it's talking about.
It's a teacher who teaches.
You can have a disciple, but how do you have a disciple?
You cannot "make" a disciple.
And that's the thing, especially a disciple of Christ,
a disciple that follows God.
I can't make that.
You can't make that.
And it's a false assumption that we can.
That's also a discouraging thing.
"Well, you've gotta make yourself some disciples!"
No we don't.
Jesus said "Go and teach," It's not the foolishness
of the "message"-- that's another thing they changed.
They changed the Bible where it said,
"the foolishness of preaching," and changed it to
"the foolishness of the message that is preached."
The message that is preached isn't foolish.
It's the plan of God.
It's standing out there, and preaching, that's foolish.
That's what makes you look like a fool.
Ask anybody who talks to a street preacher.
Ask them if anybody's called them a fool,
or said they look foolish up there.
It's "the foolishness of preaching."
The King James was right in the first place.
It's the foolishness of preaching, and it's teaching
that God wants us to do.
So we're to do two things: Go and preach, and
we're supposed to teach.
And the reason you teach is you're not responsible
for what they choose.
You're not responsible for the outcome.
"Making disciples" makes you responsible.
I know.
I went through Bible college.
I went through seminary.
I trained to be a minister.
I'm ordained.
In all that training they put it all on you!
Like YOU'RE gonna do something.
That destroys you!
Because that's God's business.
It's not man's business.
So just a simple little change like that, which is in almost every Bible.
I haven't even counted all the Bibles up
that have "make disciples," as opposed to "teach."
It's most of them.
Once we got to the 1800s, they started changing translations.
"We just made decisions that despite all history,
that supported saying it this way, we're gonna say it that way" --
which just happend to accord with what the Catholics
wanted to do.
I know, it's a coincidence, right?
Auntie: Sure...
Champion: Right...
Well, because they have to have a priesthood.
Well, that takes the pressure off.
It's God's words, "Go teach."
David: Yeah.
Champion: Teach and preach.
Well, it sounds good.
Teach and preach.
I mean, if you're handing out tracts, the pressure's off.
Your sowing the seeds, God's word, there.
And it's up to them, God waters, you know,
gives the increase.
David: Exactly.
It's the CPR rule.
When I was a public school teacher, right here in Fontana,
we had to have emergency training
and stuff like that, and learn how to do CPR.
And we had the fire people telling us, They said,
"Here's a secret you need to know.
You only do CPR on dead people.
The worst that happens is they stay dead.
The best that happens is they come back to life.
So you don't have the onus on you to make something happen.
You just do what you do, the procedures we told you.
Do it the way we showed you how to do it.
But they're dead people you're doing it on.
You're not doing it on live people.
You only do CPR on dead persons.
And then, if they come back, great!
If they don't, no loss."
Well, guess what?
That's what it's like to get the gospel out.
Everybody's dead without Christ.
The worst that's gonna happen, your worst day evangelizing
is they stay spiritually dead.
But what's the best that can happen?
A seed is planted, or even better, they receive Christ.
They realize their sinfulness.
They admit that they're sinners and they need a Saviour,
and that only faith in the Son of God, God's Son,
is going to get them what they need: their sins forgiven,
being adopted as a son of the Father, receiving the Holy Ghost,
the new man, the new creature, and on their way into eternity.
You only give the gospel, you only preach the gospel,
to dead people.
Champion: Amen.
And again, I think that takes the pressure off.
Okay, trying to get my notes here.
I don't know if this is, I mean it's not really
one of your questions, but your book's about
building faith and, the King James Bible
builds faith and...
I know some people, like the Masons, they have a King James Bible,
but it's a Mason's version...
David: And they use the King James.
The Holman Publishing Company that did it,
and a couple of the other companies, they use King James Bibles.
But they USE them.
And they call them "furniture."
In fact, I have a book called "Should a Christian Be a Mason?"
Champion: I've got it upstairs, but I've got it.
Auntie: I've got that one.
David: "Should a Christian Be a Mason?"
And they call the Bible "the furniture," part of "the furniture of the Lodge."
And they don't just "have a Bible."
The Bible's only there for two things: One, they take their perverted
compasses and square and set it on top of the Bible.
I don't put anything on top of my Bible, than my hand.
I don't put other things on top of my Bible.
I'm a symbolic person.
I don't believe in doing that.
But they put a compasses and square on top of the Bible.
So you can't read it, if you've got a compasses and square
sitting on top of it.
You've got the emblem sitting there.
And two, as I quote from their own people,
the only reason they have that, is it's your holy book
to get you to keep your oaths-- something to swear on.
And then in the front, they stick their doctrines in the front,
and there's other stuff in the back, and there's notes by
Joseph Fort Newton, all that kind of stuff that
they have in there.
They add to it, but they don't actually
read it and believe it.
So, I mean, it's just called "furniture."
It's not the same as "The word of God."
It's never seen as that.
And in other groups, they'll use the Zoroastrian book,
they'll use the Qur'an, they'll use the Bhagavad Gita,
whatever you're willing to swear on.
Man: Congress does that, too.
David: What?
Man: Congress does that, too.
They use it as furniture.
David: Yeah, that's kind of true.
Man: When they swear on it, yeah.
David: They might swear at it, I don't watch them very often.
Man: I don't want to get political, but I wanted to throw that in there.
David: Okay...
David: Antioch, not Oligarchy, Antioch.
Champion: All right, and then, I'll try not to take
too much time, here.
It seems like there's gonna be a falling away first.
2 Thessalonians chapter 2 says, There'll be a falling away.
And you point out there's some charismatic preachers, like
Ulf Ekman, he took his whole church
and shut it down, because he became a Catholic...
David.
Yeah, there's been... this is an interesting thing.
One of the things I've been able to look at over the last years,
especially while here with Jack, sitting there right behind me--
right in front of me, actually, right behind you, sort of--
in this office, and all of the years I've spent
researching here, I've seen how the Catholics want to
pull people in.
And one of the ways they pull people in
is something called the "patristics."
If you're a Greek scholar, like with Eugene Nida,
as in the book, "Why They Changed the Bible:
One World Bible for One World Religion,"
Eugene Nida was pulled in by the patristics, meaning,
"the Greek fathers," "church fathers."
You know the truth is, there are only 8 church fathers, right?
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, James and Jude.
There's your church fathers.
The people that became proto-Catholics and
moved up toward that World-Church idea,
those gentlemen are called "church fathers."
And the study of the church fathers is called patristics.
And a lot of the Catholics have written,
including the Jesuit Mich Pacwa, is that one way they bring
the scholarly people into Catholicism,
and the pastors into Catholicism, is getting them to look at
the church fathers.
"Well, look at the church fathers.
See how they loved Mary?
See how they did this?
See how they enjoyed the tradition?
See how they recognized that this piece of bread
actually turns into Jesus?"
And all that kind of stuff.
That was the way they worked that through.
And a lot of people have been gotten another way, as well:
that's through the Charismatic Movement.
The Charismatic Movement was a movement that was
subjugated by the Catholic church almost instantaneously.
Michael de Semlyen's book I have right up here,
"All Roads Lead to Rome."
Great book.
It shows the history back in 1990 or whatever,
when things really came together from the '70s on.
The Catholics quickly took over almost every Charismatic group.
Very quickly they all started having
Roman Catholics as their leaders.
Because, "Oh, we don't have to
deal with doctrine."
Even if the church had the King James.
"Oh, we don't need that, as long as you
speak in tongues, and prophesy, and wave your hands, and
sing fun songs and play guitar, we can all get along!
And you don't need to worry about doctrine.
And so you can leave your doctrines at the door."
And once you do that, once you set aside your authority,
then that leads you to Rome.
In fact, at the end of "Why They Changed the Bible,"
I tell a whole bunch of different ways that they use
to pull people back to Rome: how they get
the scientists to turn to Rome, when you get the people,
the Greek scholars.
They'll look at the Bible.
And they'll say, "Well you know,
the Alexandrian manuscripts are the better ones,"
"Yeah, but the Alexandrian manuscripts
have the Apocrypha.
Why don't you have the Apocrypha?"
And they've been pushing that, the last few years especially.
And then I wrote that other book, "Did Jesus Use the Septuagint?"
to talk about this whole point.
Is it true?
Is the Septuagint an ancient document?
Did the apostles use it?
Is it really that old?
The Catholic church says This is the original, official Bible
that they would accept.
The Catholic church had said that, in their 1899 Douay-Rheims.
I had a copy that actually had that statement in there.
But nonetheless, you get the guy believing this,
and they say, "Of course, the Sinaiticus
and Vaticanus and Alexandrinus," and whatever they come up with.
Whatever they have, that's a full Old Testament and New Testament
has that Apocrypha stuck in.
So if these people under their scholarship
get pulled in, they say, "Surprise!
The Catholic church has known this was true the whole time.
Come home to Rome.
We already knew this.
It's about time you were awake."
And they pull them to Rome that way.
Auntie: It sounds like they play directly to pride.
David: Well, of course.
Man: There's a podcast we like listening to
that does economics and politics.
But he is very Catholic and occasionally he will do
a bonus episode.
And when he's done these episodes, he'll talk about the church fathers,
and he's very scholarly, very, kind of geeky that way.
And when you said that, that's what it reminded me of.
Because he will talk about-- and I've heard other Catholics
do this too, that we like to listen to,
on politics-- but they will always talk about
the writings of the church fathers.
They never mention the Bible, and they don't mention Jesus.
And if they do mention somebody, beside the church fathers,
they talk about the "blessed mother."
David: And the reason they use it, is because it works.
It's very effective, and their own writings
bear witness to it.
Because I have what they've written, and they say themselves,
"This is very effective."
So they're gonna keep using that.
That's why I tell people the real church fathers.
Again, remember?
You can say it with me: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John,
Peter, Paul, James and Jude.
There's your church fathers.
Anybody else -- ain't.
Because they are inspired, and everybody else is opinion.
You'd might as well say, C.S. Lewis, and name other writers
and philosophers, and say that those are our church fathers.
No!
Any of those people are on an equal scale.
But not the apostles.
Because the Holy Ghost told them what to say.
They're apostles.
Nobody else gets that.
Champion: I have some of those books,
in case I have to look up something.
These so-called church fathers, I could barely force myself
to look at it.
I don't feel the Holy Spirit there.
I know I read the King James Bible.
This is God talking to me.
And those are real church fathers, as you said.
But how do these people even force themselves to read this?
Auntie: They've been deceived.
David: And you'll find that the deception started with
these "church fathers" from the very beginning.
Even the ones who had the right Bible, in Antioch,
within a very few years, they were already switching.
They used the "Civitas," the Roman civic government style,
and started making a hierarchy.
They started making the church into that.
So they'd take the deacon and make him at a level.
Then the elder becomes another, the bishop.
Then you have the archbishop.
Then you have the monarchical bishop over them.
And that's how they set up their big cities.
And ultimately Rome became one of those
"monarchical episcopates."
And that's where finally the pope-idea came together.
They copied right away, the church fathers
immediately started departing.
And Paul said it!
[Acts 20:29] "...I know this,
that after my departing shall grievous wolves
enter in among you, not sparing the flock."
Right there in the book of Acts, he tells us it's going to happen.
And that's why we need something anchored.
And that's why we have this [the King James Bible].
When we have this, all those things cannot sway us.
And that's why I mentioned in [Is the World's Oldest Bible a Fake?]
when I mentioned Manly P. Hall, talking about how
they've been able to work with everybody,
except those "jot and tittle" "King James" people.
Because if you have an anchor and a hope that is sure and steadfast,
then you are like a buoy, you are tied down,
and you may bob around in the water, but you're not going to move.
Everybody else says, "No!
Cut loose!"
- Swish!
NIV, ESV, and then church fathers.
And they drift with every wind of doctrine.
You see how that works?
And those are the people they want for one world Bible
and one world religion.
Those are the people they can work with.
That's why they hate, and we're coming around to it again,
calling you "Fundamentalists."
"How dare you!"
But you see, this IS the fundamentals.
This is "line upon line, precept upon precept."
If that's not a fundamental, I don't know what is.
Man: Alright, well, we've got to wrap up, David.
We've been going for a little while.
And we appreciate you talking to us.
And I do recommend everybody get the book
[51 Reasons Why the King James].
One of the chapters in here talked about study Bibles,
and I had somebody ask me about Christmas time
about what study Bible.
And I sent you a message and you gave me an answer back.
And then I got to that chapter in the book, I'm like, Oh,
that was maybe a dumb question that I had.
But I ended up buying this book and giving it to the lady
that asked me about the Bible versions.
Everybody, this is a great book to get.
51 Reasons will strengthen your belief in the King James.
And then what you can do is you can turn around
and hand this to somebody else.
Champion: It's a very strong book, builds your faith.
Real good.
Man: Well, take care, everybody.
This is Brother Champion, Auntie Och, I'm Brother Man.
If you go to prophecybrothers.com/51 you'll see, of course,
the video you are watching right now, an audio version.
And I'll have a link to the book, as well.
Anything else before we wrap up?
Champion: Well, David, do you think you could pray out
the show here?
David: Sure!
Father in heaven, thank You very much for
the opportunity to lift up You and Your holy words,
and not to lift up ourselves.
Thank You, Lord, that You don't make it
on our shoulders, to figure everything out
by ourselves.
You've given us Your holy words.
Thank You very much that You've not let us
lift ourselves above our fellow brother and sister.
Instead, You are lifted up, and we are all equal
under You.
Lord, I pray You help us to be humble before You,
always be teachable, and always be willing to learn,
but not willing to go against Your word,
to question Your word, or try to change Your word.
Thank You, Father, in Jesus' Name, Amen.
Champion, Auntie and Man: In Jesus' Name, Amen.
Man: Alright thank you everybody, thank you David again,
and thank you for watching the Prophecy Brothers.
I'll see you on the next show.
Champion: Here we go...
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