>>OHIO GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH OFFICIALLY SIGNED INTO LAW A
BILL THAT WOULD BAN ABORTIONS FOR FETUSES DIAGNOSED WITH DOWN
SYNDROME.
THE LAW, WHICH GOES INTO EFFECT IN 90 DAYS,
PROHIBITS A PERSON FROM PERFORMING, INDUCING, OR
ATTEMPTING TO PERFORM OR INDUCE AN ABORTION ON A PREGNANT WOMAN
WHO IS SEEKING THE ABORTION BECAUSE AN UNBORN CHILD HAS OR
MAY HAVE DOWN SYNDROME --
>>BUT --
>>NARAL PRO CHOICE OHIO EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR KELLIE
COPELAND SAID IN A STATEMENT --
>>SHE MAKES A GOOD POINT, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME
INTO PLAY WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR STORY,
INCLUDING THE FACT THAT IF A WOMAN SAYS I WANT TO HAVE AN
ABORTION, PERIOD, SHE CAN HAVE IT, BUT SHE FINDS OUT THE FETUS
HAS DOWN SYNDROME, THEN THE DOCTOR IS CULPABLE, WHICH
CREATES REALLY TREACHEROUS RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE
DOCTOR AND THE PATIENT.
>>ISN'T THAT HOW OPPRESSION WORKS?
YOU GET THE WOMEN THROUGH
THE DOCTORS, BECAUSE THE WAR ON WOMEN CONTINUES?
>>YEAH.
>>FOLKS THAT HAVE LOVED ONES WHO HAVE DOWN SYNDROME, THEY ARE
VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, UNDERSTANDABLY SO, THEY THINK
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT RIGHT TO ABORT ON THAT ALONE AS A FACTOR.
AND THAT'S A PERFECTLY GREAT POINT, AND SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED
AS SUCH.
BUT THAT IS UP TO THE WOMAN TO DECIDE.
I'M NOT GOING
TO GET BETWEEN HER AND HER DOCTOR, I'M NOT GOING TO GET IN
THAT ROOM, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.
I THINK IT'S DEEPLY
MORALLY OBJECTIONABLE TO TRY TO MAKE THAT CHOICE FOR ANYBODY.
WE
SHOULDN'T EVEN BE IN THE ROOM, WHY ARE WE PEERING INTO THEIR
PRIVATE LIVES AND HAVING THE GOVERNMENT TRYING TO MAKE
DECISIONS FOR THEM?
AND THIS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THEY ARE
AGAINST BIG GOVERNMENT.
IT'S A LIE, IT'S A LIE.
THEY LOVE BIG GOVERNMENT WHEN IT'S CONTROLLING WOMEN.
>>CENK, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT WHEN TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE
WHO HAVE DOWN SYNDROME, AND WHO SPEAK OUT AGAINST WOMEN WHO DO
DECIDE TO HAVE AN ABORTION IF YOU CAN DETECT THAT THE FETUS
HAS DOWN SYNDROME.
OF COURSE THERE ARE AMAZING PEOPLE WHO
GRACE US ON THIS EARTH WHO HAVE DOWN SYNDROME, ABSOLUTELY, THEY
ARE GIFTS PROBABLY TO THE PEOPLE WHOSE FAMILIES THEY BELONG TO,
THEY ARE GIFTS TO ALL OF US.
THAT SAID, WE COULD SAY THAT FOR
SO MANY DIFFERENT CASES WHERE A WOMAN DECIDES TO GET AN
ABORTION.
THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE WHO ARE THE PRODUCT OF
RAPE OR INCEST, WHO ARE GIFTS PROBABLY TO THEIR FAMILIES.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE PRODUCTS OF A WOMAN MAYBE WHO
WANTED TO HAVE AN ABORTION WHERE SHE COULDN'T AFFORD TO HAVE A
CHILD WHO ARE PROBABLY STILL GIFTS TO THIS EARTH.
IT DOESN'T
REALLY MATTER.
A WOMAN GETS TO DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS TO HER BODY
REGARDLESS OF THE REASONING SHE HAS, AND I DO WANT TO BRING UP
SOME OF THE REASONING.
THERE WAS A STUDY THAT WAS DONE TO FIGURE
OUT WHY WOMEN GOT ABORTIONS, IT HAPPENED IN 2004 SO SOME OF IT
IS A LITTLE DATED BUT I THINK THE GIST OF IT IS HERE, AND THE
BIGGEST REASON WOMEN GET AN ABORTION IS HAVING A BABY WOULD
DRAMATICALLY AFFECT THEIR LIFE AND THEY AREN'T READY FOR THAT,
WHETHER IT BE THEIR EDUCATION OR CAREER, THEY CAN'T AFFORD A BABY
NOW, MAYBE THEY ARE A SINGLE MOTHER OR ARE IN AN ABUSIVE
RELATIONSHIP OR SOME THING LIKE THAT.
DOWN AT 13% WERE THERE
WERE DEVELOPMENTAL PROBLEMS WITH THE FETUS, THAT'S A REALLY LOW
PERCENTAGE, COMPARABLY, TO THE ISSUES I BROUGHT UP.
THAT SAID,
IT SHOULD NOT MATTER, AND BY ENACTING THIS SORT OF BILL AND
ENACTING THIS LAW IT BECOMES A SLIPPERY SLOPE OF WHAT WE GET TO
SAY WHAT IS OKAY, WHEN CAN A WOMAN HAVE AN ABORTION, WHEN CAN
WE ALLOW WOMAN TO HAVE AGENCY OVER HER OWN BODY.
SO JOHN
KASICH EVEN THOUGH HE SAYS HE'S MODERATE HAS NOT BEEN,
ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO CHOICE.
AND THERE ARE SO MANY
THINGS HE'S ENACTED IN OHIO SPECIFICALLY TO GO AGAINST
WOMEN, TO BE ANTICHOICE, INCLUDING THE HEARTBEAT BILL, HE
STRIPS FUNDING FROM RAPE CRISIS CENTERS IF THEY MENTION ABORTION
AS AN OPTION, HE MAKES WOMEN GET MEDICALLY UNNECESSARY
ULTRASOUNDS AND THAT HAS A 24 HOUR WAITING PERIOD, AND THEN
THEY REQUIRE PARENTAL CONSENT FOR ALL PATIENTS UNDER 18, AND
THEY'VE ALSO REMOVED FUNDING -- TRIED TO -- FOR PLANNED
PARENTHOOD AND FORCE WOMEN TO BURY OR CREMATE ABORTED FETUSES.
HE IS NOT A MODERATE, HE'S ANTIWOMAN, AND THIS IS EXTREME.
>>WHEN DID THEY DETERMINE IF THE CHILD -- IF THE FETUS HAS
DOWN SYNDROME?
IS THAT THE FIRST TRIMESTER?
>>I'M SURE IT VARIES.
BUT DOWN SYNDROME IS NOT THE ONLY THING
THEY CAN DETERMINE ABOUT A FETUS, MOST OF THE 13% I IMAGINE
IS WHAT I'VE HEARD A LOT FROM WOMEN WHICH IS IT DIDN'T HAVE A
HEARTBEAT, IT DIDN'T HAVE THIS, IT WAS NEVER GOING TO GET
CARRIED TO TERM, AND IN SOME OF THOSE STATES WHERE IT'S OF
VERIFIABLE SCIENTIFIC FACT THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BORN, THEY
ARE LIKE, NOPE, YOU STILL NEED TO CARRY IT TO TERM, IT'S NOT
EVEN GOING TO MAKE IT TO TERM BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE A
MISCARRIAGE OR A STILLBIRTH --
COME ON, GET OUT OF THE ROOM, GET OUT OF THEIR LIVES.
>>A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH ECONOMICS.
THE SAME PEOPLE WHO
ARE SO ANTIABORTION ARE THE ONES WHO ARE ANTI-WELFARE, WHO ARE
ANTI-POOR PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE THESE CHILDREN.
I
HAD A BABY YOUNG AND I HAD TO HIDE IT FROM MY PARENTS WHO WERE
GOING TO TRY TO FORCE ME TO HAVE AN ABORTION BECAUSE OF RELIGION.
THEY SAID I WAS GOING TO HELL, THEY WERE GOING TO FORCE ME TO
HAVE AN ABORTION.
BUT UP UNTIL I GOT PREGNANT THEY WERE
ANTIABORTION.
>>OF COURSE.
>>THEY WERE ANTIABORTION, AND I WAS GOING TO HELL FOR HAVING
PREMARITAL SEX. AND THEN I WAS GOING TO HELL FOR BRINGING A
BABY INTO THIS WORLD.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY
WERE DOING, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY WERE TALKING
ABOUT, THEY WERE LETTING RELIGION DRIVE THEM CRAZY AND
THEY WERE TRYING TO DRIVE ME CRAZY.
I HAD MY BABY, BUT THAT
WAS MY CHOICE, IT WAS MY CHOICE TO HAVE MY BABY.
I'M NO BETTER
THAN MY FRIENDS WHO CHOSE NOT TO

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