so you remember the Great Depression when it was a slump and what did we have
a slump of money there was no less wealth no less energy no less raw
materials in the world before but it's like you came to build work on building
a house one day and they said sorry you can't build this house today
no inches you mean no inches I've just inches we don't mean how we got inches
of lumber yes we got inches of metal we've even got tape measures but there's
a slump in inches or such see and people are that crazy the day
they can have a depression because they've got no inches to go around or no
dollars that's all a lot of mountains but you see because we get thinking
backwards and making the metaphysical tale mat wag the dog making the law rule
things whereas it doesn't it smithy a way of measuring what happens and so
you see when you get into ballistic thought you don't get that confusion the
other way or the other way round so you're looking at a system where to go
back to the Buddha's words this arises that becomes which is a way of saying
you can't have this without that you can't have here without there you
wouldn't know we're here was unless you knew where there was and they come into
being together you don't get first here and then there or first there and then
here these arise interdependently that's the meaning of inter dependent
origination and to grasp the idea of inter dependent origination is as
important as the idea about seeing how things are related by space and
intervals and seeing therefore that you tend to look at life from a myopic point
of view and see details see the trees and not the forest see yourself as
something loosely related to everything else that's going on and not integral to
it you see the figure but ignore the
background but the figure in the background arise mutually they are to
each other as this is to that and so we really have to rid our brains of the
notion of causality the notion of causality being that present sets of
circumstances are the result of past sets of circumstances and that therefore
certain events which are called causes are responsible for following events
called effects and all this is an enormous piece of mumbo-jumbo because
what is not seen and what is not clear in thinking that way is that in physical
nature there are no separate events so startling to people but it's really
quite easy to see that there are no events in nature because you can ask
very simply let's take something called an event how do we Demark it from other
events at what point shall we say were you born were you born at parturition or
when the doctor slapped you on the bottom or cut the umbilical cord or when
you were conceived or when your father and mother were first attracted to each
other when was it when did you begin there's no way of deciding except
arbitrarily and for legal purposes we say you were born at parturition and
that's when the astrologer casts your horoscope accept that other astrologers
disagree and want the conception time and say that's the real beginning there
isn't a real beginning it goes back and back and back in an inseparable
continuity when are you dead that's another big argument and you couldn't
all you can get all kinds of ideas about that
so what once you see that an event is a term in an intellectual calculus
calculus being the way of measuring say curved formations by reducing them to
point instance and Counting it you see but actually the point instance our
imaginary the curve Wiggles along and it doesn't start out from point to point
but in calculus you make it do that so just as the there are no point instance
in the curve so there are no events in nature nature is a constantly
fluctuating pattern you can only designate particular Wiggles in a
pattern arbitrarily you can count a convex formation as one wiggle or a
concave formation as one wiggle then you decide if you call it one way well if
you give the convex properties the title of wiggle you have to deny it to the
concave properties and vice-versa so when you see that what we call separate
events don't exist it becomes nonsense to speak of one
event causing another what you really mean is that the two events which you
speak of is being causally related are simply two parts of the same event they
go with each other in the same way as this with that the relationship is not
causal it is mutual and it works two ways in time
because future so-called future events
are not merely passive to past events but you could easily see when for
example any biological process goes on
you can reason just as well from the future to the past is from the past of
the future why do two mammals have sexual
intercourse well it isn't just that they enjoy it it's also that they're a very
complex system which does this because it makes babies and the prospect of baby
works in Reverse and creates desire you can reason that way or it's silly
because the whole process is one and when we speak humanly and purposively I
am going downtown to buy groceries then a future event could be said to be the
cause of why you're now starting out to get into the car buying groceries and
the the difficulty we have in seeing this to be so is that we think in an
either/or way which is what is called dualism in Hindu Buddhist thought and
that liberation is being free from dualism so when you think in an
either/or way you see the figures in the background as moving and therefore being
responsible for their action but if somebody argues the other way around say
the figures are just following lines of force in the field gravitational
principles say we're all human beings you see we're all concentrated on our
fact that we're individually rushing around and doing this and that but we
don't see that we're equally sucked and that we move around in response to all
sorts of stimuli
but neither position is adequate you have to see that our being sucked by all
sorts of stimuli is exactly the same thing as our apparently voluntary and
deliberate action because what we're looking at is not this Newtonian game of
billiards where balls roll because they are hit by cues what we're involved in
is a dance well for example watch a snake when a snake swims there's nothing
more beautiful than watching a snake swim in water
lovely motion but you see it Wiggles along and it's wiggle is conceivable you
see as convex or was it concave this way and that way and this way and that way
now which side of the snake moves first when it Wiggles it's very easy to see
there now when we may act interact with the world what moves first who starts it
the objective world or the subjective world but they are related as this to
that you can't have an object without a subject or a subject without an object
and of something known without the knower and that gives the show away
there isn't any real distinction between the knower and the known there's two
ways of looking at something yes two poles of a single process but the knower
and the known are subsumed as the knowing and all life is knowing
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