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encourage change everything podcast with Matthew levy an inspiring interview with
a guest who has achieved big goals in life and work and who will divulge their
secrets to success today now the man behind the microphone Matt levy
hello some encourage change everything listeners my name is Matthew Lee be the
host of the podcast if you like what you hear please be sure to leave a five star
review or the equivalent wherever you're watching this podcast I'm so pleased to
have Ben Bowman with us tonight Ben is the founder of sweat equity group which
is a business growth advisory firm that helps organizations identify the right
strategy and team alignment that ensures productive and sustainable results he is
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thanks for joining me today thanks Matt glad to be here excellent
Ben so we're gonna have some fun talking about how you some encourage to achieve
big goals in life and work and in prep for our podcast I know personally that
you have made some big bold changes in your career more than once in fact I
know most recently you left what many people would consider to be a steady job
in favour of pursuing these couple of businesses tell us that story tell us
how it came to be yeah I mean probably like most stories that you'd have to go
back a little bit to really under and how we got to the the most recent
change but you know for me it was I've always known since I was early age
that I was meant to be an entrepreneur and really that was for two reasons I
was a young capitalist from day one I was always the type that I was reeling
and dealin I was trying to find ways to make money off of anything I was you
know if my if my family was was taking a road trip to visit family and we went to
an area that sold something they didn't sell in my hometown I'd empty my piggy
bank buy it come back and resell it for a markup I made profits off my first few
vehicles that I bought I you know worked a few different jobs to pay my own way
through college and so I kind of always had that tilt to me that I was really
entrepreneurial II minded but the other element that it kind of led me didn't
know that I was meant to be an entrepreneur it's really the fact that I
I would say that I've accepted this more as I've gotten older but in the
beginning it was really just a an avoidance of authority and the fact that
I didn't like being told what to do or how to do it and as I've gotten older
I've learned to pick my battles I've learned to you know kind of I guess
mature that desire a little bit but ultimately it was always in me that I
wanted to be able to control my own destiny so to speak I wanted to be able
to control my own time and control my own energy and what it was spent on and
how it was spent so I always knew I was meant to be an entrepreneur and go out
on my own and it was more so just about the right timing it wasn't a matter of
if it was a matter of when and so like you mentioned I mean you know I I had a
great job I was in a place where I was building a good portfolio building a
good reputation building great relationships with clients and making
great connections that are still valuable to me in this day and it made
this transition much much smoother but ultimately there was always something
that was kind of in the background it was when's the right timing for me to
make a leap and four years I was just an idea guy I was that type that I had a
note full on my phone of just like what I thought were no you know million
dollar ideas but ultimately as anybody that's started their own business knows
the idea itself means nothing it's all about the execution and what do you do
with it so I made myself a challenge in 26
I said I'm gonna choose my favorite for ideas and I'm gonna validate each one
each quarter just to get a feel for which one had the most true potential
and I knew sweat equity group could be a continuation of what I've been doing for
the past several years and I built up enough reputation to be able to do that
on my own but go halves he was really kind of my first dive into the tech
entrepreneurship and so I got to the third quarter of 2016 and I started
working on this idea and the market was there the idea was there the business
model sound and I knew it was what I should start going with so about
February one I'm said to a couple of months to transition and get everything
geared up February 1 I moved into the Center City Philadelphia I to open to
every entrepreneurial Club I can group I could get a hold of started making
connections trying to hustle my way through and here we are eight months in
and both are still alive so I guess that's a win there's so much
so what made the timing right yeah it was more just um I didn't want to live
with regret of missing an opportunity you know I really you know a lot of
authors a lot of startup you know entrepreneurs a lot of successful
business people it's how you to fail fast and fail often you know and it's
it's ultimately you're never gonna know if you're gonna succeed until you get up
there and actually try it so I was tired of kind of you know playing up these
what-if scenarios in my head and ultimately it came down to the time of
you know I've got to tried if I know if I'm ever gonna know if it's gonna
succeed or not and the timing seemed right you know I worked really hard last
year to save up enough money to float my salary in the beginning and I've always
been good the pinching pennies when I needed to to you know get through the
bootstrapping phases and everything kind of lined up lined up well and obviously
like anything else there's some ups and downs that you know I talked about do
this this interview here but like all in all its I knew it was the right timing
and so I went for it and I think so far I've had
nothing but just positive experience overall because I think I've followed
what I ultimately knew I was supposed to do what do you say to the folks who are
thinking about doing something like this and they keep repeating the mantra but I
have bills to pay but I have bills to pay
yeah it's there's obviously a lot of risk that goes into anything new right
that's the definition of new is it could go good or could go bad we don't know
until we do it so there's obviously a lot of risk that goes into it I would
just say I'm not a fan of a blind risk or you know blind faith and when it
comes to business ventures I think you should do whatever you can to to
validate what it is you want to do in at least whether we're talking about a
business venture whether we're talking about a personal endeavor whether it's
all not just a personal growth you know opportunity I think it's about analyzing
what is the opportunity here does it really make sense is it really going to
give me the fulfillment the joy that I hope it will and what is it gonna cost
me in order to do that and if those look like they're they're gonna line up and
the cost-benefit analysis so to speak makes sense then I say go for it you
know and in my case it was I analyzed what's the worst that could happen you
know the worst that could happen would be nothing clicks nothing takes off I
burned through my savings I go broke then I go back to the corporate America
go back and get another job and I try again next year you know so at the end
of the day the the opportunity outweighed the potential consequence so
that's when I knew it was it was a the right move for me
you mentioned cost-benefit analyses and I know that you do have an analytical
bent where does intuition come into play or
doesn't it at all yeah so I think it definitely does because I think
intuition studies on this - intuition is ultimately passive pattern recognition
it's the way our our minds and our psyche are analyzing to use the same
word analyzing everything that we go through throughout our entire life so
when we're faced with a situation we're actually recalling all these past
experiences that just tell us what we should do even if we can't point to it
there's no data there's no spreadsheet our gut is what's telling us to do it
let's put that into a and that's based off all these past
experiences so I think for me it was I the intuition told me that I should dive
deeper that I should determine you know if this was really what I should do and
then you know more my analytical mindset kind of came in and confirmed that it
was the right thing to do along the way I mean especially in the
startup world things change so fast and adaptability is so important that I
think intuitions probably been more important along the way than even in the
very beginning for me because I always had a bunch of ideas and if I started
talking about them I could feel good about any one of them
it wasn't until I I you know kind of weighed out the frozen concert
determined that there's a real opportunity there that I knew it was the
way to leap from that point forward it's a lot of on-the-fly decision-making
which ultimately can come down
yes so what I'd like to do is a little bit of the dream framework that our
listeners are becoming quite familiar with and we'll make sure that there's a
link to that wherever you're watching the podcast it involves five components
D re a and M devotion resolve energy attitude and mastery I'd like to explore
them here with you so the devotion is the concept that we
become much more resilient when we're connecting our work and our life to
something much bigger than the here and now have you given thought to what
you're devoting yourself to to really get that resolve to make this thing a
success yeah absolutely I mean you said it at the beginning a lot of
entrepreneurs are kind of forced into their new venture whether it's a layoff
whether it's a recession whether it's a family relocation whatever it may be for
me it wasn't so much that because I had a lot of good things lined up already it
was more of going from good to great it was more of like you know kind of
getting out of what could have been a complacent steady
you know path to something I've altum Utley wanted to be doing and that came
down so what did I ultimately want and for me one of my big kind of motivations
in life is to kind of break a cycle within my family of financial
instability and so I am very financially motivated I'm financially driven it's
it's kind of ingrained in me and I'm never gonna sacrifice my ethics my
morals or my own character to do that but that's one of my motivators because
I want to provide better for my family there's actually a blog and podcast that
I really do it's called The Art of Manliness and they do a really cool
piece um being what's called a transitional character in your family
and that's really resonated with me because it's this concept of how can you
be that person that breaks the cycle in the generational lines of your family
and for some people that's something like alcoholism or incarceration or a
lack of education you know for me it was I wanted to really break that cycle of
you know kind of living paycheck-to-paycheck as a lot of my
family has been as has been forced to do for various reasons and so you know one
of my specific goals is I want to be able to buy my mom the house in
Tennessee that she wants and help her to actually be able to retire one day so
probably not the normal answer you're used to getting for that one but for me
that's something that I'm ultimately devoted to being able to do for her mmm
been actually doing right by family is a significant motivator for for for people
it reminds me of a story of a woman by the name of Lita a belly who was from
the Philippines and she had two young children she knew that the only way to
raise her children to have a great education and to have an opportunity for
a prosperous life was for her to move out of the Philippines so she wound up
taking a job in the US and leaving her children behind with her parents the
grandparents and she came to the u.s. to be a maid as many people from that
country is their only opportunity a domestic helper and the first year as a
maid she had to live in a small apartment sleeping in the den and she
had to keep her spoons and her plates under the sink and sleep on the couch
and this went on for quite awhile well fast forward Lita made her way it's a
true American story she made her way became the CEO of US lumber that has
about 8 million dollars in sales and 12 employees and she's given her children a
great life and when she was asked how did she keep going in those darkest of
moments separated from her family sleeping on a couch you know and
basically inhumane circumstances and she said I just simply wanted to provide a
better life for my children I wanted to earn enough money that I could donate
and leave a legacy oh that's awesome yeah I mean she she came from way worse
went through way worse and if I can even end a portion of that success I'll
consider it a win that's a great story and that thing
absolutely so the r is about resolve the unwavering determination to fight
through adversity now many times this can happen with goal-setting to actually
set goals set goals in writing and honor them talk to the audience a little bit
about resolve and maybe goal-setting yeah so um it's funny because when it
comes to a start-up or a lot of new ventures especially something in the
tech space referring to the go halfsies part of my time goals and projections I
mean pretty much the only thing you can count on is that they're gonna be wrong
you know that uh you you you set a target and then you work towards that
target so for me it's been I had the big picture goals of ultimately what I want
to do but the way that I get there is is a little different of approach because
things change so frequently so I've actually kind of assembled a few people
around me that are other movers and shakers in the community that are driven
and working towards the same things and we have every week we're on Sunday night
we send our top three goals for that week specifically and then on Friday we
meet in person to evaluate how we did against those goals and it's a really
strong positive form of accountability and then the other you know kind of
element to it is just the fact that I'm shooting to continuously get better
every day so I have goals that I'm working towards to try to knock off the
list or things that we're trying to achieve over a certain period of time
but ultimately I'm worried about getting better every day because if I can do
what I'm supposed to be doing if I can continuously you know look back and say
I'm better I'm stronger I'm smarter today than I was yesterday I know I'll
be moving towards those long-term goals as well give give give our listeners an
example of the type of goal that might be on that weekly hit list yeah so some
of them are really specific so let's say related to sweat equity group it might
be coming out with a specific new blog on a topic that I've been you know
training on and I want to capture in a written form or it might be even
something to follow up on on a few different leads for you know high
potential coaching within you know a big organization but
the tech side it could be something as simple as you know finish the the
research for my next marketing strategy you know so for one of my you know kind
of marketing angles that I'm going to approach you know finish kind of
validating the research determine how I'm going to best spend that money so
sometimes they're really simple like that but then what we always do and I
left this part out earlier is we have a long term goal that we really try to
quantify and put a progress tracker on that so you know for me it's rolling out
the initial prototype of what the site will do so I try to do a actual numeric
progress of where we're getting towards that so that each week you can look back
at the last week's report and make sure that not only are you knocking things
off your list in the short term that you're making real progress towards the
big picture things as well you know people have great ideas but if you don't
get them down on paper you take those great ideas that are great yeah
absolutely so easy to do
so let's talk a little bit about that inner voice the inner voice that we all
have been that creeps in and tells us that we're not smart enough we're not
good enough we have self-doubt and we have limiting
beliefs if you don't have that voice you're not human talk to us a little bit
all of those just today this is a great yeah well this this podcast is is about
vulnerability and it's about real talk right so so share with us what happens
when that voice creeps in do you ignore it do you honor it does sometimes it win
I think there's definitely times where it wins my goal is just that I win more
often than it wins I think to to ignore it is is almost dangerous as well
because it is human you know you're right it's it's going to happen and if
if your goals are enough to scare you they might not be big enough goals so
you know I think sometimes those things can almost be reaffirming that you're
doing something worth you know invoking fear invoking some doubt or you know
some bit of insecurity in the process and so I think it's important to
acknowledge them but then just refocus on you know backs like what you talked
about on on the the dream process of devotional it's really why am I here
you know like when uh you know Lita was you know getting up every day and you
know and trying to go through what she was going through you know remembering
why she was doing and what it was ultimately working towards I think
that's the most important piece is just kind of staying focused with that right
mindset and finding those things to kind of pull your compass back to the right
direction even when sometimes the emotion can be pretty dear ailing yeah
we could go on in that topic for a while but I'd like to talk about energy I know
firsthand that you bring incredible energy to the table every day how do you
modulate that I guess that the word would be to avoid burnout yeah and
that's one that actually I've learned the hard way I I've
unfortunately kind of felt what I consider to be burnout at different
points in my career where I would run too hard and it wasn't just that I was
working too much but it was running too hard without the right mindset or
without the right grounding and you know without doing the things to kind of fill
the tank back up and the thing was just constantly running on empty it's just
like a you know a vehicle or you know some sort of automatic bad for the
engine it's bad for us too we have to find those things so it's I kind of
Phyllis backup for me those things are I'm not a big-city person at heart I'm
from a small country town in Florida I've lived in even smaller towns than
that at different points in my life and I now live in the heart of the fifth
largest city in the country so sometimes it's just getting out of the city taking
a break to completely unplug from technology from the hustle and bustle
from traffic I love to camp I love to hike I want to get out and do stuff with
my dog and like big sports fan so things that kind of forced me to you know kind
of pull myself out of it a little bit and just kind of get myself to refocus
but I will say being able to control my own schedule now my productivity is up
but I wouldn't say that I'm even working more because I'm able to control my own
time and really focus on what I want to focus on so my work-life balance has
been pretty pretty healthy lately because I'm controlling where I want to
spend my time what your morning routine look like yeah so that's one thing that
actually is on my on my list to improve the things that I've been trying to do
lately you want me to go specific yeah yeah yeah absolutely and and and if
you're not where you want to be share with us what you aspire to do in terms
of a morning routine you know to get you get you in the right frame of mind get
you super productive yeah so um a few things that I've been doing both either
from you know kind of personal health and wellness to productivity is one as I
stopped checking emails first thing in the morning because it puts you in a
very reactive mindset so even going back to that before I even get out of bed
I've tried I've started doing different types of stretching even to get my body
to kind of open up and to wake or I get up and get moving I have I'm a
big fan of quotes so I have ten at least ten different quotes above my mirror in
my bathroom that first thing in the morning when I'm brushing my teeth and
kind of getting ready I read through them I try not to spend too much time on
technology right away because I want to kind of control my my energy control my
own focus not let outside influences control those but then I'm admittedly
not a huge morning person I've never really been wired that way so for me I'm
much more productive if I get up and I can kind of ease my way into my own
schedule so I get up I have my coffee I kind of sit down and start usually try
to work on something that I can put a lot of attention to right away I don't
want to check emails for the first hour or so then I'll get into kind of combing
through some of the more reactive necessary components of the day I always
try to work out in the middle of the day for me I like I'm at my best in the
middle of the day but it also I think kind of gives me that new burst of
energy to push through like the afternoon and late afternoon so that's
more or less my normal routine is I really try to not do the reactive things
right away I try to control my mornings and put my energy on the things I want
to put them on and it allows me to really feel like I have control of my
day oh one other thing that I am started implementing a while back that really I
feel strongly about this is the simple task of making your bed I don't remember
who it was but it was a really successful military leader that talked
about this and he said the reason why he still does it and he's you know 30 years
out of the military whatever it is as he says no matter what comes up the rest of
the day you will always be able to say that you accomplished your first task
you set yourself up with crossing something off the list because it's
always going to be within your control so when you get out of bed turn around
take ten seconds make your bed and you know you started off with accomplishing
something there you go now I pride myself in in in learning a
lot about quotes right so I'm not gonna let you off the hook you tell you tell
the audience that you have 10 quotes above your mirror what's the what's your
favorite one today oh the one that's I mean it has been kind of my personal
rallying cry through this process and it's even in my email
signature I mean I have in other places in my apartment to is somebody could
take the same hand you've been dealt and win with it
and I just love that quote I love what it inspires that somebody could take the
same scenario the same upbringing the same challenges the same resources same
thing you have and they could win with it so why couldn't you and is that
always going to be true of course not but it's a reminder that excuses mean
nothing that it's all about what you do with what's what's in front of you and
what you have that ultimately will make or break us so that's one that I think
is probably still my favorite one right now excellent and I'll volley Henry Ford
who said that the key to a successful life is to determine what your destiny
is and then do it yeah absolutely that's great yeah short and sweet sometimes and
that this is this will be a shameless plug plug but I'm working on what I call
50 to courage quotes and followers will be able to sign up for a mailing list of
mine and then every week for a year they're going to get a famous quote but
they likely may not have heard it but it will be married to a very high quality
image that in one reason or another they go together and I hope it to be just
like what what you have for you is this collection of quotes to inspire folks to
do great things in their work and in their long yeah that's great
let's talk about attitude Ben the power of a positive attitude what's your
thoughts about that I mean I think it I think it's everything I think it's kind
of like what we were just talking about I mean your attitude your mindset that's
really gonna be what you have to rely on when things don't go according to plan
when even though you have your normal daily routine you know the first thing
is a fire that you have to put out I think ultimately your attitudes gonna be
what kind of uh carries you or what you let you know kind of lead to your demise
so for me it's it's you know I mentioned the quotes but there's also a few other
kind of reminders that I have around that are just you know kind of like
mindset checks you know that when you know I'm sometimes getting frustrated by
you know a challenge I'm facing or if even if I'm just tired or feeling lazy
or feeling you know like beat up or you know frustrated you know finding those
things that just kind of remind you of why you're doing it in the first place
and kind of allow you to refocus that attitude because there's so there's so
many studies out there - there's a book called the happiness advantage that
talks about how you know when you're smiling when you're happy when you're
positive your brain is producing serotonin and dopamine which leads to
better problem-solving better critical thinking you can think more
strategically you're more resourceful so there's a direct correlation between
productivity and true fulfillment or happiness so being able to kind of keep
that positive attitude not only helps you to feel better but it leads to being
better at what you do yeah Mike Tyson said famously everybody has a plan until
you get punched in the face right absolutely absolutely so how do you
rebound from that as ultimately what matters so you mentioned the one book
while we're on the topic of books it reminds me of the next part the last
part actually of the dream framework and that's mastery the idea of continuous
learning so what what let me ask you this Ben what is the book that
you most like to gift to other people so I would say I've been doing a lot of
work with different different interns and I wasn't have a passion for college
and teen anyways and so one that I've been gifting a lot recently is 4-hour
workweek by Tim Ferriss his writing style is is very simple but it's very
easily applicable and the book really does just change your your mindset on so
many kind of day-to-day things that we go through and it's kind of a way to
kind of retrain you from what we may have seen or what we may have learned
into something that really is more productive so I would say that's
probably the number one that I gift out at least lately mm-hmm excellent it's
funny that you should talk about Ferriss because this this is the this is a book
that I'm reading right now right so this is tools tools of titans and it's a
summary of all of his most favorite podcast pretty apropos in fact some of
the questions that I've started to incorporate into the podcast are some
that that Ferriss uses or that he's picked up along the way yeah yeah I love
his podcast all I'm a big fan of him as an author too but total Titan is a
fantastic now I wouldn't mean just called a book it's a fantastic resource
you know but it's so valuable yeah I have it all underlined with all kinds of
interesting anecdotes quotes book recommendations yeah this this book I
feel like he wrote it with me in mind yeah I'll tell you - if I can add a
second kind of layer to that answer I've been on a kick of getting back into some
of the old classic business or personal development books as well like you know
seven habits or Think and Grow Rich how to win friends and influence people
because I think there's and I'm actually I've actually tracked down the original
I don't want the the newer versions and the update of urns I want the original
because what I love about that is it's there's a reason why they've those books
have been so successful for so many decades right but it's also interesting
to hear the examples and the metaphors and the things they use of whatever time
they were written in because it just helps you
- remember keep perspective in our own day to day problems solving as well and
to kind of think about you know some of the things that they were projecting
were major concerns twenty years thirty years down the road we were able to
adapt and overcome pretty easily or other things that they didn't think
would be a big concern that actually became so it's kind of a core study of
all so I can you know sociology or kind of the evolution of business theory and
business thought and so I tried to work some of those into recommending to some
of these you know younger I say younger even though I'm so early my crew myself
but some of the younger people that I've been able to work with it with colleges
and teens as kind of helping them to see it's not always just about what's big
and cutting edge of popular right now but look back and find out why some of
these things have been so successful over so many years mm-hmm well right you
know I'm listening to you I'm thinking about how the more things change the
more they stay the same I mean you mentioned books like Carnegie was 1936
maybe but so many of the quotes that that I love and a lot of us love come
from ancient times right how about about the one from Aristotle we are what we
repeatedly do excellence therefore is a habit right and the list goes on and on
there's Seneca and Plato I mean we I love this stuff and I agree so yeah we
have a lot to learn from from from those times yeah absolutely and that's like I
I may be miss quoting this map so correct me I mean you seem to be the
king of quotes but I want to say it was actually uh Will Smith that said it
publicly so he may have stolen it from somewhere but if something I grabbed
onto and I've kind of held in the back of my mind he said he loves to spend his
time reading and running running because you're always going to reach a point
where your body tells you you can't go any further and you have to convince it
that you can you have to push through that wall and keep going and it's kind
of a metaphor for life obviously the other is reading because no matter what
you're going through in life someone else in history has gone through it and
probably written about it so the more you read the more you're able to
problem-solve the more you're able to you know kind of resource and hear what
other people have done and overcome that was a really interesting look on those
hmm one more about books and then we'll move on Brian Tracy said that if you
read one book a week for a year it will put you in the top 1% of all income
earners in that particular category yeah it is so true I mean that's I mean it's
similar to like Malcolm Gladwell's outliers in the 10,000 hours you know
it's like really would you put the time into it if you put the time into
studying these things don't just happen that's one of my biggest frustrations
with you know the millennial generation which I still fall into is the fact of
you know looking at it and saying like well these things should just occur
these things should just happen and some of that what gets misconstrued as
entitlement is is almost a valuable because it's a claiming it's a it's a
it's a confidence about a situation but you have to pair that with the diligence
and the consistency to you know fulfill it and so go for it so work for and earn
it you know so I I am I I'm a huge supporter of that sentiment
what advice would you give to your 19 year old self I start sooner yeah fail
faster try earlier you know times the one resource will never get more of so
go for it I I do think there was there's so many
different data points that I could point to of why I'm better suited now than I
was at 19 to do what I'm doing now so that's not to say that I would have you
know been on the same trajectory you know that many years ago but I wish I
would have tried different things
sooner rather than follow what I thought was the you know kind of predictable
path or the plan that you know I saw that people doing I wish I would have
just I came up with an idea if I wanted to pursue something just go for it
the odds are that the the consequence or the missed opportunity is not going to
be as as large as the the potential you know of what you could achieve so I wish
I would have just gone for it sooner mmm boy that that resonates with me Ben I
feel like I lived I spent so many years living the life that other people
expected me to live you know stay out of trouble go to school get an
education get a good job and you know you can wake up many years later not not
that those are bad attributes those are fantastic attributes but we all should
be looking to live an extraordinary life a life that you want to live and that's
different from all up for all of us yeah and that that last line that you
just said Matt something I was just gonna mention too and I think that's so
key that one of the things I've learned is that I can't project my same
motivations my same desires on anyone else and they can't on me so I don't I
don't look at anyone that's working a normal job or following the normal path
or you know even who has ideas but doesn't want to pursue them I don't look
at them with judgment because maybe that's not for them maybe the path that
they're following ultimately is what they want to do and what they're called
to do what they're meant to do sing-alongs I think it's so important
that you know it's it's to each his own right it's it's all of us finding
individually what we should be doing and how we should be doing it what's a piece
of conventional wisdom that you just don't buy at all I don't know I mean you
can make the argument just using that same example about a higher education
you know the fact that I mean student debt is such a major issue I believe in
education but I don't believe that our education system is adapting to modern
technology and the accessibility of the internet and the fact that I mean even
years ago there was a the statistic that was there was more information contained
in one week of the Wall Street Journal then people
would have had in their entire lifetime just a few generations prior and so
that's one area where I mean you could easily go either way on that I mean some
people say absolutely without a doubt go to college right away I know other
people say no don't go to it it's a waste of money just go start your own
business or go learn a trade or whatever I don't think either one's necessarily
right I think it I think it depends on the individual person the individual
situation and the individual goals so you get you get an opportunity to put
your favorite saying on a billboard on the highway that you want to pass along
to as many people as possible a busy highway what would it be I would
probably say and this would also be because hopefully I would pass it every
day and be a reminder to me as well
listen more talk less I think we have two years in one mouth for a reason
I think people that are naturally high performers naturally have have succeeded
in different ventures want to share that want to promote it want to push it out
want to give our input give our advice but I think there's so much to be said
about just listening and observing and I think a lot of times and when I say
listen I mean not listening for what to say next I'm listening to truly like
hear and be able to empathize and they'll think I think there's just so
many things that are going on in our society today that I think if we did
more true listening and less reactive talking it would be much better off so I
think that would be a good reminder for all of us
that's an excellent excellent one for sure then as we wind down is there a
last piece of advice that you'd like to share with the audience I would say just
go for it we mentioned the quotes earlier and one of the ones that I have
up in my apartment is if you want to succeed double your failure rate I think
is a lot to be said about just going for it and going for quicker if you're gonna
fail do it yesterday or do it too not tomorrow so you know for me if like
if you're sitting there like deciding whether or not it's the right timing
whether or not it makes sense just ask yourself what's the worst that can
happen and if the worst thing that could happen isn't traumatic or if it's
something you can recover from but the opportunity or the potential is uh is
there just go for it you know give it a shot you know I think
a lot of times we put self-imposed limits or self-imposed risk that doesn't
always have to be there if we just we just go for and give it a try that's
fantastic advice then I'm sure that we're gonna have listeners that are
gonna want to follow up with you based on this conversation what's the easiest
way best way for people to track you down yeah so obviously on any in the
social media platforms you can get ahold of me but the best way is my email it's
been at sweat equity group com meaning behind sweat equity group is just
helping organizations get the the most out of their people and out of their
resources so thinking it's not always throwing more money out of situation
it's not always bringing in you know mergers and acquisition sometimes you
can really kind of find a way to bootstrap your way through things and
then if you want to follow along the journey of my startup as a first-time
tech entrepreneur we have a platform called my tech startup story that's kind
of a you know a documentary style if you will of just what it's like to start a
tech business from scratch specifically is a non-technical founder and then go
have Z comm is the name of the website for the startup so if that's a concept
that interests you if you wanna find a way to turn their connections into cash
finally find out where your friends shop where you can sign up and make some
extra money go have Z comm any of those you can get
ahold of me and reach me I'd love to hear and talk more in anybody that wants
to then that's great thank you so much with terrific insights and to our
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remember that when you summon courage everything changes
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