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welcome to Lakeland Currents. I'm Bethany Wesley. Tonight
we focus our spotlight on housing. More specifically
we will be discussing a growing need in out state
Minnesota for the develop of more workforce housing.
While you may occasionally hear about the need for some job
growth though out greater Minnesota in some cities the jobs are there.
Or could be there. But the companies that are wanting
to expand or establish themselves there are reluctant to do so
because there is not enough middle income housing for would be
employees. So what exactly is work force housing?
And why is there a shortage of it? To answer these questions
and to discuss potential solutions, tonight we welcome to the program
Dan Dorman, the executive director of the
Greater Minnesota Partnership. And Tim Flathers, the
executive director of the Headwaters Regional Development Commission.
Welcome! Welcome back. Tim: Thanks, Bethany. Dan: Thank you. Thank you
for having us. Bethany: As we get started why don't you tell us a little bit about
what the Greater Minnesota Partnership is. Dan: Sure, Greater Minnesota Partnership
is an advocacy organization that works on economic
development issues in greater Minnesota, for greater Minnesota.
So our goal and our mission is to try to create
ah, better jobs, improve job quality, improve the quality of life
helping to build tax base, vital cities,
vibrant cities, but exclusively in greater Minnesota.
One thing that you know, we noticed that ah..
the metropolitan area just because that's where you're at,
herded up together, easier to organize. They have a stronger voice at the
capitol. So, our job is to try to make sure greater Minnesota
doesn't get lost in the hubbub in the mix.
And so, we advocate again for greater Minnesota economic
development programs. Bethany: Tim, our viewers
hopefully will recognize you from an earlier appearance. But tell us a little bit about what
the HRDC's role is with housing specifically.
Tim: Well, housing is an issue that is pretty broad
within our organization and we're really interested
in ah, meeting housing needs of communities throughout the
region. It includes development of housing, we've focused on
affordable housing principally. We have a non-profit
subsidiary corporation that does housing development
work. Ah, we also provide staff support to a
couple um, or three right now housing and
redevelopment authorities. And um,
we do things such as housing rehabilitation
work, ah down payment assistance. Um,
and ah, um...trying to make sure that people have
access to affordable mortgage financing products. Um,
particularly in the home ownership side. So we do a
variety of different things in the area of housing. Bethany: And will you remind our
viewers, if you'd be so kind, in terms of what your footprint is in terms
of what the HRDC manages? Tim: Yeah, the HRDC ah,
regional development commission serves 5 counties. We're headquartered here
in Bemidji. Ah, we go down to Park Rapids and serve
Hubbard county. And then west we go to Clearwater county
and Mahnomen county. And then north Lake of the Woods county.
So, we serve Baudette for example. Bethany: Ok.
Alright so as we turn our attention to work force housing,
Dan, what...can you tell us how do you define work force housing?
How does it differ from let's say, low income housing?
Dan: Yeah, I think Bethany the easiest way to think about it is...
middle earners. If you think about like specific jobs
it isn't about low income
like food manufacturing workers or something because there's already programs for
that. But it could be anyone from a beginning nurse beginning
teacher, or of course the manufacturing jobs.
Kind of that pay range of maybe 15 to
25 dollars an hour right there. It's, you make too much to qualify for
low income stuff but for some reason that I really can't
explain the market isn't responding like it should and creating
in this case, what we're advocating is more rental housing
that will lead to single family home ownership.
But it's about making sure that that
ah, there's a housing supply available for those people
when those jobs are created. And it's an issue
it's a growing issue. As we...you mentioned earlier in almost all
parts of greater Minnesota. From the southwest corner to northeast
northwest, ah central Minnesota. It
is a ah, like I said it's a growing deal and it's starting to hurt
our ah, economic development and job creation
in these cities. And so we think it's important that the
legislature ah.....takes an action.
Ah, we have a tax credit proposal we think
would work. Sort of copied it from our neighbors North Dakota
and Iowa. We cobbled something together, you know. Better to
you know not reinvent something there's...you know steal an idea that seems to
work. And ah, we think it would really help these communities
continue to grow and prosper. Bethany: When did the issue really kind of
start to emerge? When did you start to hear things from
communities that said, you know we really could use some more
of this market rate or middle income housing?
Tim: Um, from my perspective we first started hearing about work force housing
back in the mid 90's. And it became an issue.
But I think the characteristic over the past few years
in my estimation anyway, um, we
started to hear more and more about work force housing for
um, moderate income people or
higher income people. I don't think that's a traditional part of the
issue. Um, the market's being broken I think is a new
twist on a very old problem that we've had.
[Ok] Dan: I live in Albert Lea and it's funny you say the mid 90's
cause that's when it started to become an issue there, started to talk about
it. Ah, you know form committees, and how are we going to do this?
And our local communities really don't have the tools they need to
respond to it. But I would agree with what Tim said. So there was more
maybe rehabilitation, low income. Ah
that seems to have worked it's way through in many communities.
But it's that, you know...you don't make enough
that you know you don't make 50 dollars an hour. But you've got that, again
that new teacher or new technician
ah, they're having a hard time finding quality
ah, a quality place to live. And what does that..
what does that do? Well, it becomes a competitive issue. Well,
why do I want to live in this community? I want a decent place to live
and raise my family and so. Ah, we think that it's
an important issue to be solved. I'd say it started in some ways
in the mid 90's but really over the last probably 10 years
that middle income has really ah, grown in
importance. And the legislature so far hasn't reacted
you know, there's always that lag right? Makes some sense, but
ah, it's really on the forefront. The state is very active in
housing. We've done roughly ah, almost
100 million dollars a year in primarily the low income stuff. So,
the state does have an active role and plays an active role in housing. In
a lot of ways we think this is just an area that needs some attention.
Bethany: Tell me a little bit about how wide spread
the issue is. We talk a lot about rural or outstate or greater Minnesota
is it throughout all those areas? Are there pockets
of it that are experiencing it more than others? Dan: You know, I think there
definitely is. I think when you look at ah, you know on the news
lately Thief River Falls and a possible expansion by Digi-Key
they've got a problem. Roseau, ah down in my neck of the woods
both Albert Lea and Austin you know. The interesting thing ah, the
city manager from Austin was in St. Paul this week to testify
in behalf of our bill. They haven't built a market rate
apartment building in Austin, right, home of Hormel, hasn't built a market rate
apartment building in 45 years. And it is
getting to be a problem for them. So we hear, you know there.
It's maybe not quite the same issue even though they have different housing
issues in communities like St. Cloud, Rochester, Mankato.
Ah, they probably have some different issues. But still an issue for them as well.
Ah, there's some pockets in the metropolitan area that would say they
they have needs. But it's really different. Because in a metropolitan area
they have seen ah....growth in
this area. And people are building apartments. And you know the one thing that...
I think makes the case for state investment is if you
think about other state investments in metropolitan areas it's really helped their
their housing market. You look at the light rail, the green line light
rail, the proposed southwest ah, light rail corridor.
When that was being talked about I remember there was an article in the...
...Star Tribune. And there was a big fight going
on over you know, what kind of housing was, might create too much high
income. Not enough of low income and all this and I'm thinking
you know what a good problem to have, right? We don't have those mega
investments by the state that help create housing in greater
Minnesota. That's why we think that some of the proposals that we're advocating
makes sense and would bring some equity to the distribution of state
resources. Bethany: So as I was preparing for this
you know you look at different articles and different research out there,
and they said that there are businesses that want to expand
or you know, either relocate or expand. But they
are hampered because there's not enough housing. You're hearing that
repeatedly then. Dan: Right. And they're writing checks. You know you look at
AGCO in Jackson, you look at Digi-Key you look at Polaris.
You've got these corporations that are also writing checks to help stimulate
this. That's not occurring in the metropolitan area. There's another program
that doesn't quite work like we'd like it to. With maybe some help it
could but it's called a challenge grant program, right. And I was
interested this week by the ah data sheet that was put up
by the state. And it had all the projects on one
side and what they did. Then the last column was local investment.
And all of the corporations that had contributed to help
do this, ah were in greater Minnesota. All the metropolitan
projects, because it's so much easier to do there, hadn't required
that contribution. You know, sometimes I think that if those guys had to write
checks to see this happen it would probably get solved a lot sooner.
But ah, you know we'll deal with what we have to deal
with and advance our cause and tell our story.
And I think it's compelling. And hopefully will result in
ah, greater economic development opportunities in greater Minnesota.
Bethany: Tim, in your conversations with the clients in
the areas that you represent have you heard similar concerns in terms
of you know, needing more of that middle...middle income housing
out there? Tim: Absolutely. First of all I'd say
um, when I have discussions in communities about housing
it's usually broader than just the work force housing
issue that we're describing. It's usually we have a lot of housing needs
including the work force housing need as we're discussing
it. Um, one example I'd use is Blackduck because
we've been having a lot of current conversation
with them. But Anderson Fabrics, major employer, key
critical employer for Blackduck.
Um, not only wants to expand they have been expanding but
unfortunately their expansion is taking place in Chicago.
They're contracting for employment because
they don't have the housing to
support an expanding work force. Um, and like
Dan suggested they're...they're a willing partner in trying to
make something happen but they're dealing in a pretty tough housing market at the same
time. So, we need to find ways including what we're
talking about here to try to help Blackduck meet those needs.
Bethany: As you talk about this issue I'm assuming you've talked
with developers in terms of you know what would it take to get
more development happening. How do they, how do they respond?
What is the problem? Dan: You know our chief author in the senate is
from ah, Red Wing. Senator Goggin. And when I first
met him cause he's new, met him this year, before I could even
start going through the proposal he said I know exactly what you're talking
about cause I've got a couple developers in our area that tell me
they can build high end stuff. And they can build
ah, low end stuff or affordable stuff cause there's
a lot of subsidies. What they can't figure out how to do is
this middle income stuff. Because whether it's financing
there's a whole lot of reasons that seem to have broken the
market. Ah, and I wish it was different it just
isn't. And that....so yeah that's what it is. It's
that kind of that gap of...of ah what
are the rents in the community. How does this translate into
a performer to build a new apartment building?
And it just isn't working out very well in greater Minnesota. You got some issues
with you know, if you build it you go get the appraisal and you try to
borrow money against it. The appraisals don't match what you're putting
in like they would in the metropolitan area. So you have a problem with
financing. So it's a whole lot of problems. That's why we think that we've
got a sort of a market based solution, a tax credit program.
That would help address that. And we really believe that
this doesn't have to be. You know, I think we're going to be in the affordable
or low income business forever, right? We're always going to have to take care of people
and we should. Ah, we hope that after 4 or 5 years of
a program like this that the market starts to correct and say, hey
you know we can make money, we can cash flow these projects in greater
Minnesota. So, we're hoping this jump starts the market
and doesn't need to become a permanent program. Bethany: Do you
hear concerns, too, about I mean you talked about Blackduck
um, in terms of these smaller or more rural cities
that might just have one or two key employers
are they hesitant because there's always the chance they could pick up
and relocate? Dan: It's no question about it. Cause your
you know if you think about it if we say we all decide we're done with this, we're going to
go form a housing corporation. We're going to go build apartments and
lease them out, right? If we go to the Twin City metropolitan area or
Rochester or St. Cloud, we're not dependent on one or two
manufacturers. But when you're dependent on that one manufacturer,
boy you hope they're...you know you've got...your eggs are in that same basket
as theirs. And there's, that is another one of the concerns
that developers have. That I think is impeding some of the
development. Tim: And it's not only the developers, the developers
have to get financing. So you have to think about it from that
stand point too. So there's risk on both
parts. [Ok] And the risk is heightened if you
um, run into that situation. Bethany: In some ways
it's gotta almost sound, almost like a good problem for communities to
have. You have businesses that want to invest that want to grow in your
your community. But they're being hampered.
That's what your hearing, that communities are losing out on potential opportunities. Dan: No question. And
they just don't have the tools available to them that even in the low income
area, ah, say you know whatever city Blackduck, Bemidji
they could do a low income ah TIF or
tax income refinancing package for I think up to 25 years
to do a low income project. Ah, they can't do that for work
force. And so there's a bill that we support to help change
that to allow communities maybe more
local tools. But that still isn't going to be enough to I think
spur the kind of development that is really required. Bethany: Ok.
Let's talk a little bit about what it is that you would like to see happen. Tell us
a little bit about what the proposal is that you've really been trying to work
with legislators on. Dan: Sure, sure. Ah, it's a tax credit proposal.
It is a 40% tax credit up to a million dollars
per investor. Up to 2.8 million dollars a project
so we want to make sure there's more than just one project done. We
don't want to see it get gobbled up, ah you know one project a year.
But really the ask isn't that large. It's 6.6 million this
year. That...you know, that's not going to fix the problem in one year.
Ah, but it would be a good start.
And so, what would happen is the developer would apply for the credit
they'd get the credit, build a project and then be able to take
advantage of that...of that tax credit. So we think it's
a ah, a good way also a good way to target this.
Because sometimes there's been over production of low
income units. Ah, that...so you have a higher
vacancy rate there than you might want to have. Where you know, if you
if you create that invest in, or the incentive for
the developer they're still going to put this in an area where it's needed.
Otherwise, you know even with that tax credit that's not going to work out if
there's not enough people there that will lease these new units. So,
we think it....ah our proposal will target
this a little better as well. Bethany: Are you finding support?
Dan: It varies. Ah, last year we did make it into the senate
tax bill, not the final tax bill. It didn't get passed anyway.
But ah, after two years we finally got into there.
Ah, it varies. I think that ah, you know
we've got some work to do with the number of new legislators. Because I think
they hear what we're talking about. And hear low income and then see all
those dollars that are going and figure well, this is already being taken care of.
So, it is an education process to get the new people
up to speed on it. But ah, yeah I'm optimistic
that we're going to see something happen this year. There was a grant
program that was started a couple years ago. Ah, we
supported it. We had...you know, we thought there was going to be some
issues with it se...ah surrounding the ah,
concept of prevailing wage requirements that came with it. So if you look at the
project in Roseau. I think the...first year was like a
700 thousand dollar grant they had to come back the next year and put in
almost I think, the same amount to make the project happen. So there are
some, there are some issues I think in that program that could be worked out to make it
work better. Ah, but we think our tax credit
proposal would actually result in, um
more units being built in a quicker fashion.
Bethany: Is it fair to say that when you're talking about this you have to be really careful to make sure
that you want additional funds versus like perhaps taking
some away from low income housing? You know what I'm
saying? To make sure you can get both? Tim: I'm pretty passionate about
that because frankly I think from a state perspective
um, we this is a tool that's really really needed.
But um, we still have a really big
need for affordable housing. I don't characterize it just
as low income but it's low and moderate income. But
income assisted housing of some level
is still needed in at least the region that I serve.
It's pretty universal. And so yeah, I do think it's
we do want to be careful with that because this
is all about um...an additional investment
in housing in an area that has not been addressed in
the past. [Ok] Dan: Right. But it shouldn't replace other
things. I mean, you know, if you think about it
ah, probably the highest priority would be homeless people, right? I mean,
it would be hard for me to say, oh no don't do that and do this, right?
And so it is, it's an additive
it's a need that we have. But I do think it's just a fight again
because if you look at how the state influences the
housing market in the metropolitan area. We talked about the light rail, Vikings stadium
these things do create housing. And we just don't have
cause we're sort of located all over, right. We don't have that light rail
but we do have a good interstate system. We're trying
to ah, you know improve that all the
time as well. And I should point out we've got those good roads and stuff
it's important to use those. Drive safely on those roads, put
that cell phone down when you're driving and obey the speed limits.
So, I think that's important too. [Absolutely] Plugging that for a
totally different reason. [Laughing]
Bethany: So, tell me I know that some companies have really gotten kind of
creative in terms of how they're going to
stay, they don't want to leave these communities. I think is there one that's like
busing people an hour or so to try to
to keep their employees going, and so.
You know have you heard from companies that they really do want to be
in rural Minnesota? Tim: Um, I was just at a board meeting
last night and one of my commissioners lives in Shevlin
and he was talking about people in his community that are
busing um, up to Thief River Falls and working at
Digi-Key. And um, you know it's
pretty successful and people are willing to do that because it's a
it's a good job opportunity and there's no housing available close by.
So they're...they want to be in their community anyway
but they don't really have an opportunity to move because there's no
housing anyway. Bethany: There's just no opportunities for them. Dan: Yeah, there's
companies in southwestern part of the state, too, that are running their own
transit systems to bring people to work. Mayo Clinic in
fact does one. They run their own buses around that area
to make sure they get people to work. But yeah, that's how
I'm not gonna say desperate, but I mean if they don't want to do that
right they'd rather be spending their time and resources improving their business
and selling more product and employing more people. But part of that for some
of these companies has been ah, transit systems. And again
that's different then the metropolitan area. And so,
again we're not trying to take anything away from them. We're just trying to say
we...we've got different needs and they need to be addressed. Bethany: Each community has
it's own unique needs I'm sure as you guys hear repeatedly. [Yeah]
Dan: And I think Tim was right, that it depends on where you go
it's a different mix. Some areas need a lot
of both. Some areas need more of affordable
than others. Some people say, hey we've got plenty of affordable
but this middle income. So I don't think it's a cookie cutter
you know, I think every town is almost different. [Right]
There's not a one size fits all solution. Bethany: Do you find
that there's communities that exist that have some housing
available it's just not what they need? So like, the low income
housing for example, they could live there but they don't meet those
income requirements? Dan: Yeah, I
can't speak specifically for this area. I live in Albert Lea and
you know one way...we hear a lot from the school district. That's this is a problem
and ah, I know a guy that manages a section 8 building.
Nice building down by the lake. And he can always tell when the new teachers
are in town because there's a knock on the door [knocks on table] hey, can
you sign me up right? Oh, great what do you do? He said, well
took a job at the school district. Oh yeah, sorry you make too much money.
So those units sit empty. You know, it's not a high
rate but there's always empty units there. They sit empty. Where
you know you got these other people saying, well maybe I don't want to move to this town. Maybe
I want to go to the cities because I can live in a
you know, a better apartment. Ah, and that is happening.
It's a strange deal. But it is happening. I think
you know, you're going to see more and more school districts start to talk about this. Which
is really ah, different than what you think. I mean,
the mind set is underpaid, somehow factory
workers you know, this nefarious evil.
And it really isn't that. It's really people that are making a decent wage
but they also want a decent place to live. And who wouldn't, what's wrong with that?
Bethany: Let's talk about some of the tools that do exist. You've
referenced TIF earlier in terms of the way that it can be used to develop
certain types of housing. Is TIF not an option for
a housing development such as this? Dan: Not for, not for market
rate housing. It is for low income. But the legislature
restricts the...you know, which always bothers me. You know it seems like
in full disclosure, I'm a former state legislator.
When we run for election right, we're all in favor of local control and it
seems like too many of us we get to St. Paul and not want to control the local.
So they do not let cities ah...we joined
with the league of cities trying to change that. The coalitions a partner
in it. Trying to make sure that we could use TIF but in the
cities that I've talked to, they're going to use it. No
question about it. But it isn't going to be enough in and of
itself. So I think that would be a needed tool. And it's local dollars
there are no state dollars in ah, TIF program. So,
you know why St. Paul restricts it that way is beyond me. I
think our communities are responsible ah, if
the city council says hey, this is what we want to do and this is..this
makes sense for our community. I have no idea why the state's standing in the way but
that's a tough sell in St. Paul. And why is it a
tough sell is because I think some of the abuses that people have seen
and they've occurred in the metropolitan area. Well, don't ring us up for that
you know? In fact, one ah, senator who will go
unnamed but this particular senator was originally
against TIF for anybody but then kind of moderated
their position and said you know, I guess this does make sense in the metro area. Cause
you kind of sit down with them have that conversation about, it's a little
different game out here. Again, it's not saying it's better, worse
or anything it's just different. And so you might need different tools in the
metropolitan area, they've got different tools. We
may need some different tools, there's nothing wrong with that. Bethany: Is that a big part
of your process right now? Trying to educate in terms of the
problem for rural or for metro based legislators?
Dan: Absolutely. And even the....even the new greater
Minnesota legislators. Cause for some of them you know
you're learning so many things. There's LGA, other issues are
flying at you, transportation what do all of these things mean?
And you've got to try to figure this out and then somebody's over here
talking about housing. But you know we're spending all this money over here.
So yeah, there's an education piece to it. It's
a...that's why we're there. And ah....
Tim: That's one of the reasons like in, um that we're
really interested in being part of the partnership is that we don't
have the ability to be spending time in St. Paul.
Um, you know we're 4 hours away.
Um, and so it's just difficult and
being a member of the partnership allows us to be part of
a voice that's going to be heard. Cause we don't necessarily
think individually we're going to be heard very loudly at least.
And so it's been a good thing for us to be a member
of a group of ah, communities throughout
the state that are engaged in these dialogues and willing
to provide some leadership to try to get things done.
Dan: The Center for Rural Policy they were
in St. Peter, they came out with a report about 4 years ago who speaks
for greater Minnesota at the capitol on these issues. And at the end
of the day the report said, nobody. Ah, they also didn't think anybody
could do it. That it would be too hard to do, what we're doing. But we don't believe that. We think
we can get it done. But one thing they noted in that
was that you know, metropolitan area has their own organizations but
also the state wide organizations and not again
intentionally but are picking up a metropolitan feel. And Tim hit
on one of the reasons, right? There's one organization that has
a meeting right before session to put their priorities together
it's an afternoon, ah like a Friday afternoon typically
in St. Paul. You don't get people driving 4 or 5
hours to go down for a 3 hour meeting. Right, so who's in the room?
Tends to be and I've been there, ah it tends to be
people if you do the dot and then draw the area, unless
there's a board member, it's people that are within 75 miles
of the metropolitan area, right? And that's a state wide organization.
But that's who's there at the meeting and then that's what their
ah, the priorities being to pick up that metropolitan feel
even though it's unintentional. And that's what that Center for Rural
Policy report talked about. Was that you know, somebody needs
to be out there talking about hey don't forget us. You know again
it isn't...it isn't we're trying to take anything away from them we're just trying to say hey
ah cause I don't think people in the metropolitan area wake up in the morning and say boy let's put
the screws to those guys up in Bemidji or Dorman,
lets go you know make things hard for them. It's just not top
of mind cause they've got their own stuff they're dealing with. It's just
important, it's important that greater Minnesota have that voice
at the capitol on a consistent basis. Bethany: Do you have any
time any idea in terms of what kind of number
of units could be beneficial statewide? I mean, has there been any research
into actual figures, in terms of the stats in terms of how much
could be used? Dan: I think Minnesota housing finance would say
I should have brought the brochure but as I recall
ah, it's about 6,000 units. You could right
now I mean today. Bethany: That they could fill them today if they were
constructed. Dan: If they were constructed. So I mean there is a big...that's why
in one of the committees this week, ah people were like
well why don't you do this as well? Why don't you this as well? Trying to
help the bill, right? Well just do some low or do some ah
single family home stuff. And another representative pointed out, it's only 6 million
dollars a year, it's not...you know, this isn't going to
solve all housing issues. You know if you think of the scale we're talking
about 6 million a year versus 100 million a year in low income.
Again, that's not bad. I'm not saying take that money I'm just saying
you think of the scale, ah we can't solve
the...that at 100 million dollars a year we're going to have a hard time
you know making a big dent in it at even 6 million dollars a
year. The DEED program I referenced earlier is only 2 million dollars a year
and while nice, it just isn't enough to
really bend that curve very much. Bethany: Is the lag time
concerning then, in a way? You know that the need is here
now and even if you got funds yet this year it's going to take, what?
2 years to get them constructed and operational? Dan: Yeah,
the nice thing and one reason you know that we're trying to ah
establish this program within DEED or the Department of Employment
and Economic Development. The other, the big housing players
Minnesota finance agency and because of the nature
of their programs they've got federal tax credits and so much more
complicated process. But we were at a meeting in Thief River
Falls with the League of Minnesota Cities and Minnesota Chamber trying to
understand the issue, get more information. And one of the cities talked about
when they did an MFHA project it was a 2 year process
the DEED grant program they were able to get it spun around
in less than a year. So that's one reason why we want to work with DEED cause we think
that this, we look at this economic development not
you know low income housing and so DEED is seems to be
much more responsive. That's not a criticism, hey I better throw that
in there so I don't get a bunch of angry people. It's just different.
And it's a different need and ah so hopefully it's not two years.
Bethany: Are you feeling kind of confident at all? I mean
do you feel like there might be a chance of success yet this year? Dan: I do.
I do. I don't know...ah, you know I hope it's the whole 6 million
that I don't feel as confident about. But I think we're
going to see some action. You know we've seen growth each year that
we've tried. This first year we couldn't get any traction. Next thing you know we're in the senate
tax bill. So hopefully this is the year that we're able to
push it over that end line. And actually get it signed into law.
Bethany: Well I want to thank you both for joining me today um
thank you for tuning in. If you'd like to learn more about the Greater Minnesota
Partnership or this issue I encourage you to visit the
website on the bottom of the screen. Thank you. Join me next time.
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