welcome back to the happiness platform to the leadership show
I have Becky Blaylock I have Robin Bienfait two of the most powerful corporate
women you'll ever see they lead and pioneered the space of innovation and
technology when other women were finding it hard to get in that space and of
course today we talk about exactly that innovation and I also asked them about
how they're going to dedicate the rest of their lives and in particular how
they take care of themselves let's get stuck right back into it I'm
Roh Singh and again Hey welcome back to the Happiness Platform talk about taking
risks and not you know being scared to fail a lot of people are and the
reason that we see a lot of people are scared to fail is because they've
already committed themselves you know large amounts of debt mortgages and kids
in private schools etc okay how do women or men deal with that when the bulk
I mean I did it differently I made sure I was way within my means I have
plenty of you know spare cash so that I could at any time walk away if I needed
to I was one of those Millennials way before my time and I moved around to get ahead
how do you advise them to address that?
well I spent a lot more time talking to companies about what they
need to do because it all goes back to feeling safe taking chances and being
innovative and coming up with new ideas because I always tell people if you want
a good idea you better come up with a lot of ideas and then people are afraid
to speak up and put great idea back there do you know but they are afraid
they're gonna fail or afraid that if they speak up somebody's gonna make fun
of them then chances are you're not going to get all those good ideas on the
table because as human beings were not programmed to take risks
I mean we have anywhere from 45 to 65 thousand thoughts in given day and if
you're a normal human being- most of our thoughts are negative. This is something I wish I knew all along.
everybody's having these questions thoughts about pushing yourself and
that's not all bad that's how our species has survived and that's what's
in the gene pool that got passed along to us our ancestors wouldn't have
survived if they took a lot of risks but the things they needed to be worried
about years ago or not the things we need to be worried about today you do
need to be worried about walking in front of a moving car or sticking your
hand over a candle flame and getting burned but you don't need to be worried
about raising your hand in the crowded room and asking a question or saying
hello to a stranger in an elevator and in fact if you don't do those kinds of
things and push you out of your comfort zone you're never going to reach your
full potential in life but so much of what happens in these really big
companies is people get shut down when they try to open up speak up and if a
company wants to foster a culture of innovation one well I've always said is
that companies don't innovate people do and you've got to create the right
environment where people feel safe and where people are encouraged to think
outside the box you know one of the examples that I can give you is early in
my career I was picked for a high-potential program inside my company
what we took they took people from various functional areas you had
somebody out of finance somebody out of power generation somebody out of
marketing and you would put them on these teams and give them a problem to
solve well the problem that I had been on the team to solve was to reduce the
cost of power coming out of one of our power plants and so this team and I got
together we had an executive sponsor working with us and every time we met
like once a week we talked about how impossible the task was that they've
given us and that if it was so so easy to do why haven't they figured it out or hadn't they give us this
problem or maybe they already knew the answer they're just seeing whether or
not you can come up with it that's true and so we think we have this executive
sponsor who let us get together we just shoot briefs and then we leave
and so three months into this process the executive sponsor said to us said
look you people have been picked and been given this honor to work on this
project and everybody's going to look to seeing how you solve this any people in
there you don't have this thing solved your careers are probably going to stay
right where they are well all of a sudden we felt under pressure you know
and here we've been given this great gift of the spare time to get together
and solve this problem so we sat back and thought about the fact that you know
we can we need to put a lot of suggestions on the table maybe there's
things that we think aren't possible that are and so we began to see things that
individually none of us could have seen so little by little together we put
together this big picture and came up with far greater savings than what they
had asked us to come up with none of us in a vacuum could've come up these
things but together we did and we presented them we're not accepted that
some of them work and in fact together we accomplished what we couldn't do
individually but we had also been given this very safe environment where we
could put some clearly outlandish things on the table and we weren't going to get
fired for doing it in fact we were rewarded for at least trying to
accomplish the goal even if some of the ideas weren't accepted and if you look
at the most innovative companies the ones that have the most patents many of
them will provide focused time for employees just to go off with new ideas
and how no matter how outlandish they are just the fact that they've tried they
get great credit for coming up with these ideas and some of them actually move
forward and get commercialized this is why I think one of the great things
that's happening in the world today is crowdsourcing where if we you don't even
know will come on the internet and help you solve the problem because the power
of many brains is much more powerful than the than the power of one but the
one has to feel very comfortable not let those 65,000 Falls shut them down from
coming forward with their ideas because Robin and I as women who grew up in
environments where most of the time we were the only woman in the room can tell
you that is a table it's very difficult to speak up when you're the
only woman in the room and many times people won't care
of what you come to say no actually the conversation will continue you'll
speak up everybody gets real quiet they recognize
what you're saying they nod their heads and then the conversation goes back to
where it was a few minutes before you spoke and then you realize okay I just
had a moment within it they didn't hear a word I said but they were being polite
allowing me to speak so I need to approach it a different way. Becky you
were talking about feeling kind of lucky in some ways and this is my own words
here to have been given that time to go through and think of these idea upon
this particular project. I think it's important that you give people some focus time because particularly in corporate
America today people's plates are full and finding some time to do
something that's outside of what is required every single day to get the job
done can be very challenging but if companies I know Google gives their employees I
think it's one day off a month just to work on something new innovative and
creative I think it's 3m has always been known as a company that gets their employees some focused time
just to sit back and think about what might be and they they can find numerous
examples including the post-it note that came out on an opportunity from employees
just to go off and brainstorm and explore ideas on their own and what did it feel like
from that person's perspective I guess now you've had a you know highly successful
career as a CIO etc and doing your own thing but back in the day when you
were doing that you must have been quite quite a bit younger and you would have
been an opportunity and you were looking to rise and if you feel as an individual I
mean how did it come across as not saying oh my gosh I've still got to go
back and do my work now I've got to think of this and you know contribute to
this team thing that could be one way you would have felt a lot of people do
do that and you felt like you know this was a great opportunity to feel grateful
for that . What was the mindset difference there? differently I have always felt very
grateful about that because I am the kind of person who always sees not what
is but what what can be and we're the kind of people who can get in trouble
sometimes for being that way for not seeing what is but what
can be and I'm very inquisitive by nature in fact I wrote an article for a
Wall Street Journal about getting to the c-suite and I said you know so much of
getting to the c-suite execution is important when somebody gives you a job
to do being able to execute on it that's important for getting you to the next
level but what's even more important is knowing what's the right thing to
execute on right and there are people who come in every day and you can tell
them what needs to be done and they can do it beautifully and they can align the
team to help make that happen I think you have to be able to do that but then
there's that next step being at that next level is all about making sure that
the work that's being done is the right work Robin talked about the fact that
claims processing didn't even need to be done. And that's a
higher level of thinking and not everybody is cut out for that and
you need people that can execute you needed people that can do those claims
and lead a team of people in doing that but if that c-suite is much more about
being forward-looking and having a vision and understanding do we even need
to be doing this in the first place or could we do this better or what
should we be doing that we're not doing and then how do you build the
allegiances to go make that happen so what would you say to board members
today or people you coach to look up to you in terms of what success looks like
and the me let me put a little bit of background to this this question when I
was growing up he was about I felt like your measurement of success was going
to be about in the country still there was a contribution to society which
was always at the forefront of my mind so doing things socially responsibly was
always there and you know doing in a truthful manner was always there so you
know my conscience was always had me move
in the right direction however I felt like for organizations to be successful
it was about quarterly reports it was about you know shareholder dividends you
know what did we give back and it was about you know whatever means it was
required to either pull that deal through forward we can put it on the books
or you know I remember being director of the one large telco to cut workforce by
20 percent and have it done by you know such a such a date and I remember
fighting that and and proving it different but it meant it cost
me my job eventually however I haven't always felt great about it
great about it and so how is it now when you're coaching people who are at the
c-suite or at the board level one how did they see what do you see them seeing
is what success looks like and what do you see success looks like perhaps and
a change from where it was sometime back. I think on a corporate board that's
publicly traded you're still gonna get people with that where we are quarterly
what are our core responsibilities just kind of taking care of business is what
I would say but then I know that other dimension is how happy is the team how
successful is the team are they working well together are they creating and
generating new ideas I don't think that conversation is happening at the table
and I've been at a lot of those tables and you almost have to kind of pitch it
out there to say you know where are you with your succession plans and the
reason you put in that framework is you know any day any one of your teams or
leaders could be leaving the business or you know for sad reasons you know not
having health reasons and needing to exit the business and having that
sustainable culture really depends upon who you're hiring and if you're hiring
the right people and being able to attract the right talent that adds to
your culture and doesn't detract from it I think it's very important but I don't
think it's a big topic at the board table and usually they lay that on the
HR leader and that the HR person's task yeah there was a recent Gallup poll out that
said only thirteen percent of employees and fortune 500 companies are engaged
which means that they're really coming in every day with great ideas and
excited about giving back I think that these big companies if they're not
careful can't be as successful in the long term if you don't have happy
employees I am seeing a lot of companies now that are instituting you know 360
assessments where if you're in a leadership position you're gonna get
assessed every year if you see applications like glassdoor.com that are
out there or employees can go and they can rate the CEO and rate how happy they
are with the company and companies are paying attention to that I
recently was a judge for EY entrepreneur of the year and these are
people who have very successful companies or who are CEOs who are
leading very successful companies and one of the things that was interesting
to me and the people that we interviewed the winners for all people who came in
and talked about the fact that their employees for the most important asset
that they have that their company may own a lot of property or may have a lot
of product they're putting out there but that nothing really significant happened
in their company if it weren't for their employees and really valued them and I
think more and more as we move into the future it's all about talent and that
the ability to attract and retain the very best talent globally is going to
be important you know I look at the number of women that come into the
workforce my generation since the 70s 25% of we've added 25% to the gross domestic
product in the u.s. women have and we're in a global marketplace today and you
can't compete if you have half of your workforce who doesn't feel empowered and
engaged. McKinsey did a study to look at why are women leaving corporate America
and they found three things the first one was a lack of role models
and fortunately that's changing not changing fast enough it is changing the
second thing is this whole idea of the difference in
pay that men get promoted on the basis of potential, women on the basis of a
proven track record given you and I can both share examples of that but then the
third thing and it's so very easy to fix is it they leave because they don't feel
included they feel very excluded and that's
something that that companies can fix and I think that the very best companies
the ones that want to retain and hold on to their very best talent are gonna work
on making sure everybody feels included that's why you begin to see a lot of
affinity groups not just for women but for minorities for any type of person
who is different in a workplace surface in these companies and they're very key
and helping these employees feel included and feel like they can bring their
best ideas to the table interesting enough a company I was working with has
now set up a chief inclusion officer oh yes yes they call this position I said
you need to call it an inclusion officer not diversity and a not talent none of
those other things because this position is to make sure that things are
happening in the corporation that's connecting the dots you can have the
c-suite saying people are very important assets but they're not demonstrating
that inside the company so there's a disconnect. I know that because when I go
somewhere and I'm with people that I get high energy from it I feel accepted I am
so much more willing to come forward and say what I think and put ideas on the
table if I go into a situation where I feel fearful and I feel like I'm
looked down on and I'm more highly scrutinized and I think I think
everybody feels that way it's human nature so creating that environment is
going to be more important feature because the war for talent is on and
we're not just competing for talent here in the United States we're compete globally
for talent and and people are gonna have their choice more than ever and it's
gonna be more transparent where is a good place to work it where is not a
good place to work definitely definitely now is this a stat that we use a lot as There is an organization called beyondblue who looks after started off
there looking after people's mental health. Privately they do a lot of work in
the corporate space they've just released the figure and it's it's quite
crazy when you hear this and then when I sounded this figure out with some of
Canadian colleagues but they've come back the recent guests on the leadership
show it said it's it's quite prominent even in that space I imagine it would be
that different in the u.s. 48% of people in the workforce
feel that the workplace is detrimental to their mental health Wow okay 20% of
all sick leave today people are saying these people are admitting it right okay
so you could imagine how many are not 20% of all sick leave today in corporate
Australia is as a result of depression anxiety restlessness again mental health
the World Health Organization is predicting that the year 2030 which
is not that far away only 14 years okay more than 50% of all health issues are
going to be mental health related issues the world is changing ladies the world
is changing not there are a lot of people that I've known that have done
really really well you know in corporation have accumulated and
ticked off a lot of goals that you know easy to measure and see and to talk
about and to demonstrate but are living a life of restlessness and anxiety etc
pills are not fixing it how is it, if I may ask this is a tough question and I hope
you're as open with me as possible how is it that you've been able to keep
yourselves so together and so focused and what is it are you going to do when
you go out there again and do your contribution to society into companies
into yourselves what is it you're going to do now that you know these stats or
you probably know I'm probably doing things about it well that's kind of a
hard one because I see a lot of people in stressful situations
they're stressed because they've got a home life situation they've got a
financial situation in fact there's more financial situations than any of us
really realize I think the u.s. is probably in the worst spot because a lot
of people depend on credit cards here and I think we're starting to see that
spiral again and so you know people are living beyond their means because they
feel that pressure not only for themselves but for their kids you know so and so's
kids in dance school hey mom I want to be in dance school in dance school it's
another thousand dollars a month or hey I want to be in swim lessons and those
are all great things to do but they're expensive and yet you want the best for
your kids and so it takes both salaries to make that happen so then you add that
to stress at work or trying to be successful at work I can imagine that
stress it has to bear some pressure on the individuals I I guess I'm just
always fit in a space that I want to work somewhere where people are wanting
me there and if that's not a place that they want me that I will find someplace
else that wants me but maybe that maybe I have to be the illusion that maybe
getting a job is pretty easy maybe it's not for some people you know maybe they
haven't had the the luck or the blessings to be able to go to the school
and have the right opportunities and sometimes we have to help some of those
people along the way but it is pretty scary I was reading an article that just
came out in the Time magazine about our youth and the level of anxiety and
stress to make the great gate grades because if they don't make the great
grades or they're not the athlete in school and they're not this and not that
their own self-worth is put into pressure. You know for me what's really
really important what's gotten me through a lot of tough times is my faith
and oddly enough when I interviewed the twenty-eighth looking for my book I
asked that question and over and over again I asked myself where things get
really tough wherever to you to all your strengths number one was they're faith
and you know I wrote this book too because I mentored a lot of young and
when I was coming up in my career and you know I would ask them the first
question is what is it they want and overwhelmingly what do you think I've
heard back I don't know I don't know and I wanted to say thank jeepers the balls
not looking too good today what makes you and what success looks like for you
cuz we all define it very very differently and that you need to step
aside and spend some time really focused about what is your purpose in life how
do you define success because once you get on with that then you can be very
courageous and bold and going after you can develop relationships with other
people that will help you on that journey but if your responsibility to
figure that out and I think many times we sit back and we're waiting for
somebody to tell us what to do instead of figuring that out for ourselves and
but I think that that is a very important first step and making anything
happen in your life and that you know for me and it may be different for
others but you know the people I interviewed are very different different
faiths we don't have the same beliefs but that is where we all go back to when we
need something so I can't imagine somebody who doesn't have that to draw on for
their strengths but I also want to share with you I had the opportunity to travel
to India as a part of my job as the CIO and it's a beautiful country great food
wonderful shopping and I was traveling with somebody who had lived in my
hometown of Atlanta and was now back home in India and he said what do you
think of my country and so I think it's a wonderful place us too but you know I
said I'm just shocked by the poverty here I've never seen such poverty I mean
you would see a family of 5 riding by on the motorcycle woman people just live in
tents their only possession was a tarp and he said Oh Becky don't feel sorry
for people in my country who are poor he said feel sorry for people in the
United States he said here in India he said these people they know what's
important it's your family and he said and they have great value around their
families he goes and they're happy he said the most unhappy people he's
been around in my life a big in the United States he goes whatever they have they
just want more exactly what I don't think they does that really resonated to
me that I think that we see all of this stuff in the media and we look and see
what other people have and we're no longer satisfied with our own lives. I kind
of equate it to somebody who's telling they watch you know if you're a frog and
you live down in a well and it's wet down there and slimy and all you ever see is
that wet slimy well your fine but if you ever jumped out of that well and you're
sitting up the top of the rock wanna see this beautiful blue sky and there is
trees and well and so all of a sudden you aren't so happy jumping back into the well. I think we are so influenced by what we see and we
don't always take a step back and think about those rich blessings that we have
as I mentioned my [inaudible]
the Electric Power Research Institute in our last meeting we talked about that
1.2 billion people who don't have any electricity in this world and so instead
of thinking about how blessed we are and how much we haven't think about what we
don't have and there's a lot of research that says that something one of the best
characteristics of the most successful people is they spent some time in the
first part of each day thinking about things for which they are most grateful
and I don't think we do that enough I don't think we sit back and think about
gosh we're blessed don't we have so we have enough to eat we have a bed to
sleep off you got change in your pocket you're blessed instead we're so focused
on what we don't have that's wonderful that's wonderful special shout out to
Becky's book 'Dare' where she interviews 50 or the globe's top leaders women leaders
I must say and shares their secrets in terms of what it takes to succeed in the
world of corporations yeah she's she's a wonderful wonderful
woman who has given so much back and of course Robin Robin shares some amazing knowledge bombs
and lets you know why she's influenced so many of the world's top
companies with her knowledge and consultancy services as well and of
course it's great to have him as part of the family here at the
leadership show, Populis and the happiness platform. Let's get stuck back into it.
Now coming back into reflection and feeling of gratefulness etc; in early hours of the morning are
the best times to do it and we've to spend a lot of time with sages with ancient practices
and people who have mastered this and it's been passed on for thousands
thousands of years as well as taking some modern psychology and I know you
talk a lot about this Becky as well of course in terms of self talk
the consistent chatter that's going on in your mind now self talk is one
component of the thirteen that we've got in there the other is this time for
solitude and reflection through meditation and pranayama so I can't
wait till we have completed filming of that I'm gonna send the
link to both of you guys and so you can actually have a look at and
hopefully get some good lessons out of that also so what I do now is whenever I
speak to doesn't matter what type of leaders I actually encourage them to set
the example themselves you know these these people are you talking about
in terms of taking that time in the morning not feeling a rush etc to go
because I've got so many things to tick off because that time for solitude and
time for self-reflection and feeling of gratefulness etc actually also allows
you to clear your mind and think in a logical manner which puts emotions
away and you make decisions from a place of
happiness and what I'm finding is that these sages and his gurus that I've
spent time with; people say why are you 70 and 80 and you still look 50 you know
and you and you're so calm and you're the richest guy in the know but you
don't own anything and how is it that you're making people happy all your life
and how is it that just one of your temples is feeding ten
thousand kids a day etc so the answers have always been there and now they're
being badged under lots of different things mindfulness being one etc but
sometimes it's incomplete to people you know yes they could they take
responsibility we ask people to take responsibility for themselves but it's
not demonstrated because once the mind has been cleared they turn the radio on
first thing and rubbish gets into it you know instead of that surrender into
their faith or you know giving thanks and then knowing okay what are the virtues
of that particular faith how should I act and how should I live my life etc and people
are too shy to talk about it because it's really politically incorrect, well I
don't really care about that because 48 percent of the workforce yeah forty-eight
percent of the workforce now now is saying that hey they're not well okay
the workplace is making them not well so leaders yeah we're encouraging them to
wake up and demonstrate it through themselves and also so hey it's been
open to celebrating you know their faith or their what's important to them in you
life etc so I'm really glad you brought that up ladies how is it that so in the
morning to you guys or whenever you're you know your happy hour is what do you
what do you do what what is a ritual look like if you don't mind me asking so
that other people can you know relate to it. I actually get up early in the
morning and go for a walk around my neighborhood no telephone there nothing
just for a little walk and it's probably about 45 minutes and sometimes I jog a
little bit depending on you know if I think I need to get home cuz I didn't
wake up as early as I wanted to but I think when you have nothing at tasking
of you the house isn't bothering you this isn't this you don't have a meeting
right away and you're out just okay I think that's where I get kind of
that balance back having that time to meditate and think and be happy that I'm
outside for a little while before I go and lock myself in the building.
Hearing
the birds chirped away.. yeah and watching kind of the Sun come up and the
crispness of the morning that type of stuff yeah it's wonderful isn't it just
when your senses it allows your senses to waive that right that's right there's
something before I even get out of bed every day I'd do something I practice
process called acts and as a Christian what I do is the first thing I think to
myself is i acknowledge the Lord then I do my confession. I talk
about many things I did not do or should have done the day before and and ask for
forgiveness and then I say my thanks that's the tea and acts for all the
think about all the things for that I am grateful for and there are a lot of
them I have a very blessed life and then the last is seek because really if
you're a practicing Christian he wants you to tell Him what it is you want
him to help you with and I ask for help for the day ahead If I am speaking to a
group of people I asked for help in getting the message across that needs to
get across if I'm going somewhere I asked for you know help me be more you
know cognizant of the needs of other people you know or help me be successful
as well when I'm giving a talk so and I think that sort of gets me in the right
perspective for the day and then like Robin I try to do some exercise I don't
always go outside but I have a gym downstairs and I go down there and I
watch the news which probably isn't very helpful to work out while I watch the news. But at least I'm keeping my mind fresh. Because I think breathing is so important. If you are
stressed out the best thing you can do is to shut your eyes and focus on your
breathing and the reason for that is that you control your breathing
not your subconscious. we so live and that's subconscious for them when
you focus on your breathing and you realize you're in control of it there's
isn't anything that brings you more back to the present helps you understand hey
nobody's in charge of me I am exactly and whether you think you can or
you can't do something you are right can I think is Zig Ziglar at the long time ago
I remember as an 18 year old hearing that and that's stuck with me forever you know I
have this saying and this realization came to me after spending 15 days and night
with this Swami back in a place called Portland in Victoria the beautiful
beautiful coastal town very cold and I was there and I realized the teaching
what the teachings were were putting forward was that the mind cannot control
the mind the mind cannot stop the chatter it's only your breath. Only your breath.
right that can bring it back to the moment confirming again what was just
just discussed now and there are a lot of beautiful techniques beautiful
rhythmic techniques that have been around for thousands and thousands of
years and when one puts that into their lives within two breaths
you know once your muster within two breaths you can be back and you're fresh
and in a wonderful space. Corporations now I know that they're talking of a lot
about trying to do something but hey HR directors are not getting a seat
at the table they also a lot of them don't know what to do themselves
right so therefore is it time off is it parental leave is it this yes it is all of
that but as organizations I believe it's the chairman the CEO the board of
directors, the c-suite, they're responsible for doing exactly where you
guys have just spoken about and demonstrating and talking about that okay
setting the right example the right role models the company you keep and allowing
for some space and some education in the workforce so that people can actually
learn these simple techniques and you know where leaders get up and talk about
how they manage their own life in terms of bring fulfilment and health and you
know prosperity in all different ways that they measure.
To give back is important too. One of
the things that I always encourage people do is every day the end of the
day I ask yourself what did you to help somebody else because I think there
isn't anything that gives you more joy. sometimes I have people say to me from my
days working in corporate America what are you most proud of what I love with
the people that worked on my team who are now CIOs who were promoted in the company or elsewhere. That's really what is your legacy, the things that you did
that helped encourage other people and that's what I end up most proud of
I love Deepak Chopra who's who says you know the universe has a perfect
accounting system you get out likely put into it and I'll tell you it's spooky to
me sometimes I thought I was something to help somebody and how it came back to
me ten fold and ten times stronger fashion and so I always say you should
never you can help somebody refused to do so right and I know that you
are like that Robin if you have the ability to help somebody
hook them up. absolutely there is this awesome saying and in terms of the
nature of individuals is three different three different natures and we're always
fighting to these particular natures one is the nature of goodness, the
other is the nature of passion where a lot of people operate and the other is
the nature of ignorance again a lot of people take refuge but all it gives
them is dullness okay and that's the one you want to stay away from so
everyone has an inclination as far as what they're born with but they can promote
each one by doing certain things nature of goodness is where we want to operate
from and that one is a lot about serving and hence like you said it's
the karmic what you are talking about there, what Deepak is talking about is
essentially the definition of Karma it'll always come to you doesn't matter what. It always does. It's the perfect
bang right comes back a lot stronger than where did you get it exactly
exactly and you know it it's interesting that there's a lot more awareness to it
today so being awakened to these things and you know it's it's it's I find it kind of like
our duty now to not only teach it to our children but to demonstrate it
to the rest of the world and I'm you know I can't wait to share some of this
knowledge with you guys as well once we've taped that you know because
essentially what we want to take away is that the cloudiness in people's minds
goes back to where you said Becky when you ask someone what is it that you want
what does successful look like to you most people don't know why because people are
mostly imitating and following and because they're not in tune with
themselves so imagine being awakened to that because if you don't know where
you're you know where you're going you're not going to get there are you so you
are just going to bounce around so this restlessness this chatter this anxiety
and this depression that has taken over the world it's it's tough topic to talk
talk about it's a really really tough talk to talk about but I hope you guys
In your talks out there get people to really become aware of it. And to try and address it.
that really interesting is I don't know if you've ever read Napoleon Hills book
'Think and Grow Rich' that book was written in the 1920s and it's still very
applicable today he was hired by Andrew Carnegie who was a wealthy industrialist
to interview 500 of the most successful people of that period of time and there
are a lot of messages in the book but Napoleon Hill will tell you that the
number one message in that book the reason why these people were successful
didn't have anything to do with their educational backgrounds didn't have
anything to do with their social economic circumstances that they all had
a clear vision of what it is they wanted and they expected it to happen and
that's why his book even today is a best-seller you know. It was interesting I
was just looking around because it normally sits on my desk
oops yeah one of those classics there's that one and there's the how to
win friends and influence people they're always close by the classics aren't they. I had
a heap of fun I always do with Robin and so good to hang out with Becky again
please like share and subscribe a lot of people needed particularly up-and-coming
leaders in a female leaders in the corporate space and for guys who want to
learn how to get the best from your female colleagues your female bosses
this is one that I'm sure has helped you Robin and Becky thank you so much again
you two are just just a gem my two favourite southern people I can't wait to
hang out with you again I'm Roh Singh thank you and thanks to
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