Some of the most important times as a teacher is like before the bell rings
and after the bell rings. Just enough time to snort a line. Welcome back everybody, we are here
again, not live, but together live in the same room doing a podcast which is
the way it should be. We're not doing this via livestream, that's old school. We
don't do that anymore, and we have a guest with us, an old guest, a friend of
ours: Mr. Ryan Cowden. What's up. Whoa. He came back for another one or did we
record this the same time we did the other one that looks exactly like this?
Don't tell them our tricks, Dillon. Hey, listen Joel, I'll tell him anything I
want! No one saw the other one. No Ryan is an educator, you were a middle school
teacher for how many years? Six years. Six years. I did four tours of duty in middle
school. Wow. One as a student and then three as a teacher, and also you as well,
you took that experiencing you now have your own podcasts and it's called the
School of Thought podcast, correct? That's right. This is this is the part where you
plug it. This is the part where I plug it! It's a podcast, yeah, so it's about education and
it's kind of for teachers but it's also kind of for anyone, we talk about leadership,
we talk about communication, and I just interview a lot of interesting people. So
I listen to a few and they're actually, it's way different than the format we
have, we kind of goof around on this podcast a lot, like I don't know - What are
you talking about? I don't think, I'm so super serious. Yeah
but not if you actually listen to Ryan's podcast yeah actually get a lot out of
it and you were telling me a guess that you just had on was like communication
director for the White House he was the director of the Situation Room the
president gets all the military briefings and before that he commanded a
minesweeper in Desert Storm so oh we've all done that yeah right
said release a normal run-of-the-mill guest on my podcast had really boring
stories problem yeah yeah and here we are over here just talking about you
know Cody's moles what else you want to know about all I got good that means
that we've both been through the process of watching a podcast and we know that
there's nothing more embarrassing in life than announcing to the world I have
a podcast yes just what everybody needs is another dude hosting another podcast
you know we don't need more engineers we don't need more doctors we don't need
more science we need more podcast people need to hear our thoughts yes experience
our wisdom right so I mean I know as an as an educator that that's a it's a
heavy toll to take on yourself and you you would classify yourself as an
introvert as well oh yeah for sure how do you how did you become a teacher cuz
I think I think actually Joel mentioned this is one of the previous podcasts
were I don't know how anybody introvert or extrovert has the energy to sustain
that amount of people where they have present and just a different amount of
people all the time yeah I don't know how you even extroverts manage teaching
but I had a total of about 170 to 180 students and I was speaking to them for
8 hours a day 5 days a week 10 months a year so how are you how are you still
doing this why I mean that's why I quit back in May once a week that's my pace I
mean that's honestly part of like my passion for the podcast is there's a lot
of people who get into teaching for the right reasons and they know a lot but I
wasn't required to take any public speaking courses to get ready to become
a teacher and I just feel like it's unfair for the teacher and it's unfair
for the students hmm you know like you know a lot about your topic but like on
what planet is it okay for me to take a job as a teacher and not have a single
public speaking course you know yeah what if you like you stutter a lot yeah
they would never know right they would have no idea I have an important
question what subject did you each history okay so I did I did the
Middle Ages which is way cool the meddlesome plague that's a lot of
gory way back way back yeah my first experience of getting old I had kids who
had been born they hadn't even been alive during 9/11 you know I was like oh
wow years weren't even alive what if you guys heard you know that's
yeah anybody it's I mean it's 2018 right now when we're recording this I means an
18 year old was born in the year 2000 and then tolt was born in year 2000 stop
it Dylan stop it we're kidding guys I mean we all knew Cody was pretty old so
what's the why why history wait what wait why why that subject history was
always my favorite subject I I kind of have this weird theory that as a teacher
you should be required to teach something that's not your favorite
subject because as a history teacher if as if a student ever said I don't
understand history I'd be like what don't you get what's wrong with you what
do you eat but you don't get it well like as a if I had ever been a math
teacher I feel like if a kid says I don't get like I could have sympathized
a lot more with that kid and been like yeah I don't get it either let's figure
this out yeah neither should all teach what we're not smart at is what I'm
saying so you're saying you don't know much history I have a question Ryan
where do you think you were well-liked as a teacher by your students oh it's a
good question I was the so I was the I was the cool
teacher because I was the youngest person on campus and that's very like
not easy as a teacher because like when you actually need your kids to do stuff
like I thought you were cool mr. Cowden yeah none of the other teachers had to
put up with any of that and for me it's like wow thanks I guess that homework
tonight
there's not as much fun to be cool there's an actual curriculum here we
have to do some work well there's a site where they students can rate their
instructors did you ever rate my teacher yeah rate what y-you know come on bill
rated on that I've looked my name up a few times I don't have anything up hmm
that's more like I do a good job scrubbing the internet is what I'm
saying like no one else what's new today how
often do you google yourself it's different I don't want to go they know
but part of a part of my passion for doing the podcast is kind of shining a
good light on education cuz whenever you hear a news report on education it's
never good like on NPR hey the new SAT scores are in and we get ready
everybody's super stupid right talk about the education system in America
how many people are actually staying on that channel versus switching the
station yeah so uh do you have any horror stories that you could share that
won't you mean no it's nothing Ziegler did name-drop anybody but well I've got
a horror story just an in it's probably just like a bad first day of work story
mm-hmm but I was hired to be a long-term sub at a high school and so I went the
first day just to observe the teacher I was teaching and I ran into the
principal and the vice principal of the school and I stood there in the hallway
talking to them for probably 20 minutes and at the end of 20 minutes they were
like you know your pants are unzipped oh my gosh why are you wearing pants my
shirt was tucked in and like part of the shirt was sticking out and I was like
these guys amazing tired was it immediate or do they like wait a while
when I was like 20 minutes into the conversation
for a while talking to them the whole time you're like why are they staring at
my crap yeah and why is their buddies down there
yeah it's it's classic teaching us fake it til you make it
you just pretend like you know what you're doing I feel like that's the same
with every profession that impostor syndrome right yeah
my first year I made an offhanded joke about Santa Claus and I thought I was
safe in the seventh grade but I got a parent phone call oh nice and so did the
principal of my school about you know our daughter still believes in Santa
Claus and I thought I was safe in seventh grade Wow it should be safe and
successful I should have been safe
pretty bad that was like a two to three day you know manage that situation yeah
that's that's no shame on you that's a shame on the parents yeah honestly in
middle school the kids how old are they they're that's like 12 13 13 that's a
problem yeah I knew Santa Claus wasn't real the day I was born
Cody whispered and Dylan's ear in his crib did the stork tell you Santa
Clauses dad do you guys have a favorite movie portrayal of school can you wake
up Kindergarten Cop yeah train them yeah it's like drilling them that's the dream
yeah it's what it's what all the teachers talked about in the lunchroom
yeah in the faculty room almost warts and a canary cob is the dream guys
as far as school school rock always comes to mind that one's pretty funny
they stand in the liver no guys stand in the liver a good movie is just like what
Dead Poets Society that's a great story
Good Will Hunting like mr. Holland's Opus was a tearjerker that's such a good
movie so apparently Fast Times Fast Times
Richmond High was Cameron Crowe going undercover he like went to a high school
for a couple weeks and just recorded everything that was happening and that's
what that movie that's that's like investigative reporting I think that
plot of that movie never been kissed Oh would you bury more she she needs to get
like an investigative reporting like the school students or some like that and
she pretends to be a high school student she was a nerd and it's typical like you
know chick flick yeah she shows she suddenly becomes popular and the hot guy
likes her recently then never thought the end of that story
well I've always found I've always found history to be one of those subjects that
was no offense but just the mostly pointless most useless to me anything
before like 1980 in do before 1400 I'm like does it really matter right now I
don't know I know we're supposed to learn history to not repeat our mistakes
but like we repeat it anyway first of all to shine light shouldn't I be using
this time to like learn things that I could possibly use later in my life like
it's like the stock market or finances I would say I would say it's hard to learn
something new if you don't know where like the source of that information
comes from yeah I know we have to know a little bit of history but like they go
so in-depth with like the most absurd tribes that existed
and they're like building Rock huts I'm just oh my god do we need to know this
yeah the cuneiforms don't you know about this oh yeah I remember that come on
yes that's incredibly relevant forms my eye I have to think about that every day
just like the Kunia forms you love and order forms no I actually not did I mean
a second but I I used to be the same way but actually my favorite teacher I ever
had was my old coach wasn't well oh yeah but here a teacher I ever had and he
changed my mind on history I think a lot of it is due to just you just was a good
teacher he have any particular method you just stood up and let the whole time
but I found it incredibly fascinating I mean I might be a little biased but it
was American history so I was just like hey America so it's really relevant to
where we're at now but I do agree that there are certain things that's like I
don't need to know the exact details of whatever tribe took over this tribe at
this point I just we can take away probably the details and keep the
general lesson that can be learned from history and you can learn at certain
points of I mean to the like what Joel just said which is the best way to
predict the future is to know the past and if you never history you're gonna
say it he knows the future Joel can I talk to you in the other we
can mute you now III do think that there that is the best way to anticipate the
future and understand previous mistakes is the more you know about history the
more you can not repeat it but I do I do agree that sometimes it delves into
things were you like I don't need to know Napoleon Dynamite's pants sighs
Napoleon Dynamite you mean Napoleon Bonaparte
well no linoleum Bonaparte Napoleon in class catch that I just lost no one
taught himself history apparently we all learned something today oh my god
gladiator I haven't like twenty years ago I think I think it was the call it
was a lot of different I had a lot of different history courses but like I
think it was like in the later years when I stopped it was anything like not
American history I just couldn't grasp like no offense to
the rest of the world it was just like because it didn't seem relevant to me so
like I was like the American history side like I paid more attention to so
like yeah that's beneficial I'd like to hear from Ryan yeah well I can say
there's two schools of thought in education one is that there's actually a
school of thought that says the content doesn't matter at all that history is
just an opportunity for you to practice like reading writing and research so if
you're like project based in history you're just you're just creating
opportunities for kids to dig in and learn stuff the other the other kind of
school of thought is like that this is the story of us I guess so everything
that we know about the world is predicated on having an understanding of
where we've been like knowing that white people come from Europe and we are not
native to America right like that explains a lot
right not under if you don't have an understanding of the Civil War it's very
hard to understand like the racial tension that's happening in America
right now and I think in the back of our heads there's kind of this story of
where we've been mhm and if you don't have that I think you're just lost as to
like what's happening you know what I mean he's get all deep Who am I where am
I yeah I I think that that I have a much the
older I get I have a much more a much deeper appreciation for history than I
did when I was a little kid as a kid I just died I always found it to be the
most boring subject in school but as I get older I'm like I definitely can
appreciate this a lot more yeah I think like I'm with you I mean I had the same
I had Wilson in you know for American history is great you know it's a
testament to a good teacher oh my gosh she's fantastic
and yeah I think as you get older you had a more appreciation of history but I
think I think for me it was more like it was more an appreciation of the
characters and history like the specific people and like what they did like some
people you're just like no way one guy can accomplish that like some of the
people some of the figures in history or just like to you how does somebody do
all that right that's that's how I felt watching like Hamilton the play and like
all these like main characters coming out and you're just like yeah yeah
George Washington yeah go get him but it's like hey I agree it when you're
like in school history is just one of those subjects along with math it's like
I most the stuff in math like I'm not gonna use like on a day-to-day basis why
do I have to sit down and learn this and if I don't I have to retake it again
it's ridiculous so my question for you Ryan is what like tricks did you do to
make it semi entertaining for some of the students yeah well I think I think
the biggest problem that that history teachers run into is they don't they
don't tell stories like I think history is it should be centered around
storytelling and finding interesting stories of
people but I also was kind of a big believer that kids like talking more to
each other than they like listening to me so if I'm talking I'm trying to use
like videos or visuals or things that they can relate to but then you're
trying to find a good activity where you can get out of the way and let them
engage because if there's one thing kids are interested in it's each other
so you want you want them talking about it you want them
debating it you want to find something that's debatable
and I think if you're a good teacher you can find that question so like I I think
I had it pretty easy because I was teaching medieval world history so like
one of our units we talked about the Incas and the Aztecs right and the
Mayans right yeah and so the Aztecs practiced human sacrifice as a part of
their basic religion and the kids would be like yeah okay you Mikey no kids the
Incas used to sacrifice llamas and it was like what just told you they were
sacrificing humans up north children and the kids were like way more freaked out
that llamas were being killed than humans and so like that's a perfect time
to have a debate with kids about like why are you more sad that a llamas being
killed than a humans being killed right it's like that scene in Braveheart when
like all the horses get stabbed and there's always those people you watch
with like all the horses yeah yeah you know there were humans on those words
that someone's dad is not gonna be home so you got to find the question like
what's what's interesting about this story and then let the kids debate it
and then watching 12-year olds have it debates
always fun I think that oh we were talking about you mentioned something
like that should I be learning more about like the stock market
I never were one of the things I everyone always talks about education
reform in things that you should they should be teaching this instead of this
but I think when I think of education reform I I think history is incredibly
important but one thing that I think it's taken away too far in general edie
at least is math I think we get way too far into algebra and I think you should
understand basic geometry and I know you need a little bit algebra to get to
basic geometry but I think that could be substituted for money management
learning stocks learning investments learning how to basically balance a
budget those are things they don't teach you
and those are things that you use every scene
day in adult life people are not using yeah how much credit card debt do we
have like that should be a class yeah junior year second semester should be on
credit cards use the slope formula right in school I have never used you know if
I still slope I don't know X over Y no it's y equals MX plus B oh that's right
yeah what about the put like the amount they they'd taught like the slope
formula whatever like I was thinking I had a picture in my head as a kid I was
like I'm like every day I'm gonna have to use this like standing in line for
Target I'm gonna be like trying to figure out
how to figure out this slope it's like no it's like it's gonna cost y equals
this jug of milk is gonna cost you $2 plus the slope formula is the quadratic
equation like you knew when you were you knew as a student that you weren't gonna
use this thank you you were smart enough to know that it's not like we were naive
like we had a pretty good idea we're never it uses our parents told us this
it was very clear but yet like it was an elective to take money management
anywhere I took that class and I learned about stocks investments balancing
budgets careers like how much careers pay I thought those like why is this an
elective yeah should be requirement like back and forth grade yeah no right now
so I work for those that don't know I work at a credit union right and
literally as part good job who bless you what's dinner no as part of our
community outreach we literally go out to schools charter schools and teach
like money management to skip two kids because the school doesn't have a
curriculum on it like basic savings checking credit card how they work
auto loans you know how like a credit stuff like that college loans yes yes
yes and you're all gonna need to learn how
this works yeah cuz it'll it'll affect you for the rest of your life
and and these schools don't have that curriculum at all we're working and we
go out and do it for them it's play sad that they also like when I was in middle
school like I had a class where there's like some I don't know lifestyle class
or something and they had like this week that they were talking about like
finances and like budgeting and all this stuff like that adults do and they had a
day where they just talked about credit cards and all they talked about and all
I took away from that class was but credit cards are bad never get a credit
card and then when I grew up and I when I grew up I was like wait I got I need I
need credit if I want to do anything in life right like if you teach us like at
least the right things like the right information so we can like make the
decision in our own there was a class in middle school I
think you might have taken it as well it was the it was only a it was a quarter
class with even a semester class we had it for a living two months but it was
called quest oh yeah I remember and don't get me wrong I actually really
enjoyed that class but I think all we did was just make like collages and just
put stuff together and again this is middle school at this point like we're
not like little kids I'm thinking my comeback going as far as that was that
was a waste of time actually so it was just a waste we could I actually could
have learned something very vital very valuable to my life and I don't
understand how adults haven't figured this out like yeah we should cut out the
quest and maybe teach them how to like balance a budget maybe once what's more
useful let's put some classes together
clauses are pretty cool can't stop collaging don't you ever make collages
at the credit union all the time it's all we do out of the shredded money just
shred money that's all that's all we do so Ryan you didn't like teaching history
so what was your favorite subject oh no I'm I did like
well you dealt with my face but you learn not to teach what you like I I
think it would maybe be more helpful because like if it if a kid says I don't
get it I am like what do you mean like I just told you that's how every math
teacher is right like yeah I don't get it well I just drew it all over the
board like what don't you get yeah it's hard to understand why kid doesn't get
it when you get it right so there's this weird that's so frustrating
it might be better for me to have been a math teacher because I could have
sympathized with the kids more and when I did after-school tutoring my favorite
was to work with kids on math cuz we could we could figure it out together
and there was like a sense of accomplishment there you know so I was a
kid where you're just like either I can't teach you several he's referring
to us yeah I mean they're kids who struggle though the hard thing as a
teacher is like I had probably a hundred and seventy one hundred and eighty kids
that I was responsible for you know so like you don't have like the time or the
energy to give that like personalized feedback to every kid you know so you're
kind of like you do your best to hit all of them but then you're kind of like
building relationships with some of them and you're trying to you trying to build
what you can to get them all through but yeah sometimes like sometimes you're
just not going to reach a kid you know you're not gonna connect with every
person you meet you have to be okay with Alice cause do you think that people's
inability to learn is outside of any like physical impairment like the other
handicap or something do you think some kids are just naturally they just can't
learn like they just they have this inability to learn or is it more I guess
is kind of like if you want to boil this down this is more of a nature versus
nurture question do you think it's more of the circumstances or you think that
some kids are just naturally unable to learn I think I think kids have
different like strengths and disabilities but I also feel like the
thing the most important thing to capture the student is like their
motivation and their engagement like you may not necessarily
be the most gifted person at something but if you're passionate about it you're
gonna learn how to do it right like when I started playing guitar I was terrible
at it but I stuck with it because I loved guitar you know like I think
that's more of the key is like trying to get kids to care in some way about what
you're teaching even if it's like this will get you a job someday or this is a
problem we can overcome but I think the kids who don't learn on some level they
maybe they don't think they can but they don't I don't want to say they don't
care cuz kids don't want to fail but when you look at kids who are succeeding
it's because they've found the motivation to succeed and the kids who
aren't succeeding I think we could help them find that what would you what would
you say to a student who thought that like Napoleon Dynamite was a leader of
war never forget do do if this night is any indication would have been like yeah
it was a French leader right wouldn't catch it so much later how far back does
your history go middle ages middle uh so we started with like the fall of the
Roman Empire golden period so the fall of the of the Roman Empire to like 100
to 1400 Renaissance a little after that like Columbus ok kind of that time
period so really fun there's a lot of fun stuff to talk about yeah a lot of
things happen right would you even be allowed to teach about Columbus anymore
yes I don't know if you allowed to celebrate
Columbus anymore no but we thought about him yeah you guys ever talk about
Pangaea that would be before my time like before I'd be like maybe ancient
history yeah that's I'll go back even further you want Pangaea the Big Bang
show on NBC you guys go in the Precambrian jibber did you ever do
something like in class that just you just totally embarrassed yourself in
front of your students that's a good uh I was I was like notorious for like I
would like trip a lot I would like trip over stuff and I'm up I'm like a very
loud sneeze er I would love you just leave me I would like sneeze and they
don't look at me like was that a cough or a burp or a sneeze they couldn't tell
or death anybody got feather right now and just get some pepper pepper yeah
what's the most embarrassing thing you guys have done in class me me Oh Luke
tried to learn I tried to learn raising my head no I was painfully shy in class
I was I be one of my questions how do you deal with a super shy student that
just like can't can't even can't even raise their hand I don't I don't I don't
force them to talk some teachers do my goal is to like make them feel safe
enough to where they want to participate yeah and the cool thing is that'll
happen over the course of the year if you give it time right last it lasts
like well calling on a kid hand goes up slowly finally some of the most
important times as a teacher is like before the bell rings and after the bell
rings if you can make some time to talk to a kid that's the time to snore
deliver side
Middle Ages
embarrassing moments teaching teaching middle schools like a lesson in like man
I'm so old I'm not young anymore and I'm not cool like you're constantly being
reminded every day that you're not you're not a part of their world not a
groove man yeah dude were these two I don't know anyway
being a teacher oh god I'd be so awesome at it I don't know what I teach but I'd
be good at it what was your embarrassing okay cocky
bastard what do you say me let's drag into an argument what was your most
embarrassing moment Joel what's that what's what was right now it's right
what was the most embarrassing moment for you in school
oh geez there was a time I always think about this I was so stupid but we were
giving a presentation it was like me and four other kids in front of the
whiteboard and you know how like the whiteboard has like that little tray
thing at the bottom where you put like the markers and stuff and I had my hand
like resting on it I was kind of like leaning against it in my hand like
slipped in like scooted against it and it made just a super loud like farting
noise in front of like fifth graders so it was just like the worst like alright
well I'm never going I'm never going to convince them that it wasn't a fart like
I'm just gonna be that kid was an actual part because it stank and he's gone from
Joel okay he's leaving Joe we're still here I think it's bad oh how about you
was your embarrassing story I barf in fourth grade in front of the whole class
has anyone ever done that I've puked and yeah if you and I got pantsed in
like front of class in my class oh great was this how do you I think it was like
fifth grade there's something like that
that reminds me I I puke too I puked in front of the super attractive girl when
I was like super sick and I was like walking to the health office or no to
the bathroom it's like it was literally just me and her in the hall and and I
was like trying to hold it back and as we were like passing each other I just
huge right at her feet this was this was six months ago
yeah Joe I remember for some reason like I remember when we were in elementary
school when we were met when we were in elementary school you threw up at one
point like in kindergarten or something you're like first grade and I was in
fifth grade or fourth grade and the teacher made me leave and walk you to
the office because like you were sick do you remember that no the heck yeah like
they they knew I was your brother like they made me leave class and like walk
you to the office cuz you're like or something he's really wearing that
they literally didn't want to get like an adult they're just like let's make
him sick anyways well I guess it's either puking or getting pantsed in this
group apparently because I got pants and it was the most embarrassing thing that
was in middle school it was a PE and PE the classes are way bigger way bigger
than a normal class because there's other classes hundred kids around and
some kid just you know in front of me just yanked my Schwartz down
fortunately men we're stayed on so that would've been way worse but I mean so
mad I mean I just like started whaling on that kid just try to punching him and
whatnot for adding it in trouble but I just never being like I was just
horrified like dude I can't believe this kid just did this to me
that's terrible yeah I would never do that to I would do that my worst enemy
like pants in front of my hundreds of other kids i gosh dang it what a dork
it's don't worry that kid too I want a name drop him but if I find him still
sour about it don't it's a little bit this was like two weeks ago he's our
number one fan he's coming back from war
let's talk about one more thing I just wanted to bring this up because you guys
are like creators and I want to talk about like if life would be different
for you guys if if you'd been kids with social media I use I think like my
middle school high school is similar to you guys because you guys were making
films right you during the film thing and I was in a band and we would make
recordings we'd sell the CDs at lunch and we blow all our money at like
Denny's right like that was that was fun but there was no objective measure of
our value you know I mean like we kind of thought we were good and that was it
but like when I look at the kids today and you see like when they put stuff up
on social media there's like instantly a numerical value mm-hmm like there's how
many followers you have on YouTube or there's how many repost or how many
likes you have and I wonder if that would be more like more challenging for
us if we were back in high school today like would we be
would you guys think you'd be more reserved putting stuff out there knowing
that there's likes and there's ratings cuz back in our day like it was there
was no way of knowing how good or bad you were there was just what I thought
about yourself there's a numerical value to something so that's a tough question
just because I feel like when we were making those skits and stuff like we did
it literally just for us like we we weren't thinking like oh and somebody
washes us they're gonna think it's funny it's like we're just gonna film it
because we are cracking up and we can't get through this take that's why it's
not that's why we want to do it I think if we grew up with like Instagram and
Facebook being so big I don't know I honestly feel like we would still be
like because we were doing such weird stuff we would be too embarrassed to
share it yeah anything so you don't think you did if you were around today I
don't think so I don't think so I wouldn't want you we're posting this
aren't we do it all over again tell you the truth I didn't get anything do would
all over again I'd post those I post all those videos and I would be like hey
look at our videos no shame no I don't already well I think that to cheat a
little bit here we kind of did have a little bit of a hybrid of both because I
think we actually were still in school when myspace first kicked off so I think
we had a like one or two years we were the very tip end of our regular school
experience by the time we were in college MySpace and Facebook were ready
and becoming a thing but at least in my experience Shannon oh you guys are
probably a bit older I know Joel and I had my I'm probably a little older yeah
we had myspace but we never I mean myspace wasn't like a somewhere you
posted like videos is more just pictures true true as far as like social media
goes there there there was like that your profile you know
this is who I am I'm on than I'm on the waves but I I think that it's it's yeah
it is a tough question because I I think there is a lot more pressure for kids
nowadays to have that status there's adults do it - you know yeah
they look cool on the internet or else you're just not a cool person you know
yeah and it takes away like your natural ability to do what you sincerely think
might be the best option in that moment right like like if I was so conscious of
posting something on Instagram or that I knew it was gonna be seen by all my
friends everybody gets cool I probably wouldn't make the same decisions as if I
knew that it was just gonna be us watching it which would probably make it
less funny just because I'm trying to like be cool at the same time as being
funny and it just doesn't turn out so I think I think I mean to answer your
question I think it would negatively affect us if we were so conscious of
like social media and like how people looked at us and all that stuff I think
it actually benefited us that we weren't on an Instagram it weren't on Facebook
in my opinion yeah you know I agree I agree
okay you're here okay yeah Cheers all right I think I think we're done
everybody well thank you Ryan for the screen deep
conversations we have many cousins yes we're gonna do this again we've already
been talking about a potential third episode with you yeah talk about more
exciting stuff soon it has to be a trilogy it's not the - yeah you can't
have just acts 1 & 2 he's always gonna be an ending to this thing like I'm a
third act guy that means this will be the best podcast we do all right
everybody thank you out there for watching thank you again Ryan again his
podcast is called the school of thought podcast you can catch that on soundcloud
is that right yep awesome yes please check him out there it's a really
interesting broadcast for more of these in-depth conversations without us
goofballs you know ruining the whole thing but probably having conversations
yeah new conversations with a lot smarter people probably anyway yes
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