Welcome Nina thank you. Great to
be on the show with you. I'm so
excited to have you with us and
talking about this very important
topic about networking. You know
we hear so frequently that networking
is important during a job search.
Why do you think that is.That's
such a great question. What I would
say is I think that networking
can increase your chances meaning
increasing your odds of landing
a job. And when I think about the
concept of networking and contrast
that as an example to the act of
applying for a job. For me applying
for a job is much more of a one
to one transaction. But when you
network with just one person that
one connection can turn into multiple
connections. And one of the things
I like to talk to people about
is the actual definition of a network
and when you look it up in the
dictionary some of the definitions
are it's an arrangement of introspecting
horizontal and vertical lines.
It's like a combination of filaments
or passages and it's a group or
system of interconnected people
or things. So when I think about
the possibility of making a connection
with one person and then that person
connecting you to another it almost
becomes a ripple effect because
I think there's the law of odds
in terms of expanding your opportunities
of landing a job or just making
connections with a variety of people.
The other thing I'll say is when
I think about the importance of
networking there's a lot of jobs
just aren't easily visible to you
as an individual in the open market.
Right and there's lots of times
when a certain job isn't even open
yet or it doesn't even exist. But
you've had an interaction or an
opportunity to network with someone
and you plant the seed in their
brain in terms of what you might
have to offer and even that you're
just looking for your next role.
And oftentimes that lands you into
a real opportunity in the future.
I've actually experienced that
myself in my career. So it's something
I love to chat with people about.
I'd love to hear that how does that.
How did networking impact your
own career.Yeah you know I will
try to keep the story as concise
that possible but when I when I
first moved from Canada to the
U.S. and I was working in the H.R.
space I think one of the challenges
when you move from one country
to another is you're in a different
environment in terms of even employment
law. And so I actually joined the
local chapter of SHRM in the Bellevue
area and one of my reasons for
doing that was to build up my own
skill and knowledge of the U.S.
employment market. And what I ended
up doing and this is this could
be a very long story as I said
but I ended up volunteering to
be a member of the board and I'll
talk a little bit about this later
too I think doing things like that
and making yourself a little bit
more visible in some of these networking
scenarios gives you an opportunity
to get a lot of exposure and people
will naturally reach out to you.
So in this particular scenario
I had studied to get my certification
in SHRM so my SPHR at that point
in time. It just so happened that
I got my designation. I was actually
working in the banking industry
in the H.R. function. And unfortunately
we were going through a downsizing
and I was at the point where we
were closing out all of our local
offices and I had begun to do a
job search. Still employed but
doing a job search. One of the
folks that I met again through
networking was teaching a class
at the University of Washington
and he asked me to come to the
first class and just basically
talk to the students in terms of
how I felt the designation the
certification the speech are would
help me in my job search and in
honesty my first reaction was gosh
the University of Washington it
really is.And on my way home I
had a small infant at the time
and he was like Nina at the Bothell
campus that's you know on your
way home. Give me 10 minutes of
your time. So I said Certainly.
So I attended the first 15 to 20
minutes of the class and one of
the things I mentioned was that
I was in a job search and that
I felt like this designation would
help me went on and it gave them
a little bit of the path that I
had been on to get the certification.
And then you know went on my merry
way home. And then the next day
my networking contact called me
and said there was a woman in the
part of the student body who was
currently at Nintendo and somebody
from Microsoft had approached her
wondering basically cold calling
her and asking her if she was interested
in an opportunity at Microsoft
and H.R. she was at that time but
I had planted that little scene
in her head and so she had contacted
Rick my networking colleague and
asked if he would be comfortable
reaching out to me to ask me if
I was interested. So long story
short that's how I ended up at
Microsoft. So I love to tell that
story because it could very easily
have turned out to be a different
scenario where I didn't attend
I hadn't networked with them etc.
etc..Right. I mean that's so interesting
right where it was. Yeah. The contact
of your contacts it wasn't even
that you know your contact knew
about it. So that gives you that
network effect as you were talking
about actually that connectedness
that and I love it that's a personnel
you have a personal vested in networking
as is. You've seen it work very
well for your career.Yeah. The
other thing I'll just mention too
is that it's worked for me externally
and that has also worked for me
internally and you know what I'll
share with you on that topic is
I had an interest in doing international
work at some point in my career
and so working locally at the corporate
office here in Redmond was great.
I was having a fantastic time but
I also as I said wanted to do something
in the international space and
so part of my internal networking
strategy was to make sure that
as I spoke to other senior H.R.
leaders who were in positions of
making some decisions in terms
of career movement that I sort
of dropped that little seed into
their brain too. And in actuality
and I give people this advice to
is even if it's not the right timing
for you just basically saying that
at some point I'd love to do something
internationally that can gain a
life of its own. And in in the
example again personal story is
I wasn't ready at that point in
time but you know six months later
one of the church leaders who I'd
mentioned that too called me up
and asked me mean I have a six
month assignment in Singapore would
you be interested. So I think planting
those seeds throughout all these
networking conversations can lead
to many things and even things
that you would have never thought
would come to fruition.That's incredible.
I love that idea of planting the
seeds right so you sort of plant
that and then you're not sure you
know when that's going to pop up
and take a life of its own but
it can at some future point for
you. So I love that. So let's talk
a little bit about the basics of
networking. So how does someone
get started with networking.Yeah
you know I think for me and again
just speaking from personal experiences
you have to have confidence in
yourself and you have to know your
own strengths. And I think sometimes
that can be difficult especially
if you're in job search mode and
you know maybe you've had some
sort of setback that impacted your
self-esteem. I think we've all
been there at some point in our
careers. And so do whatever you
need to do to pump yourself up.
Maybe it's self-talk or maybe it's
talking to a trusted advisor or
just getting your level of confidence
that I think is super important.
The other thing that I would say
is take the pressure off yourself
and think about it as not searching
for something that you need but
make it all about how you can help
someone else. After all you know
a lot of people and you can be
a connector yourself. You can offer
advice and you can share your perspective
and I think taking a little bit
of the pressure off yourself to
say gosh I need to reach out. I
need help but just turn that around
and say How can I help others.
And then the other thing I would
say is networking is about building
relationships and those relationships
need to be founded on trust which
means that you have to be genuine
and authentic.And so again I think
in my mind it's a little bit about
just showing up as yourself and
just being who you are and just
making those natural connections.
The other thing I'll say is I mean
that's all well well and good sort
of on the psychological standpoint.
But you really have to make a concrete
plan and then execute on it. And
what I mean there is really think
about what are your goals for networking.
Maybe it is that you're in job
search mode or maybe you are seeking
out some sort of mentoring relationship.
There could be a variety of reasons
but you could use that filter to
determine what networking events
you might want to target first
and then I would say when you make
your list of advance take into
consideration how comfortable you
are or not in that type of environment
naturally if networking comes to
you naturally then you can spread
your net wider and you can move
more quickly. Sort of going into
so while you're at the event I
would say look for smaller groups
of people that you can join. I
typically look for a pod of three.
It just makes it easier to join
the conversation. And then I would
say don't be afraid to join the
group introduce yourself because
once you introduce yourself then
others will follow suit.I love
that. So when you talk about events
like what kind of events would
this be. Do you have some examples
that people could think about.
That I think it really really depends.
And so I'm going to go back to
if you feel like you're a natural
networker. I think almost going
into any of that you're going to
feel comfortable and you're going
to have success in terms of making
connections. I think if you're
a little bit more on the introverted
side or shy or you haven't done
it before then my advice would
be pick a networking event where
you're going to feel the most comfortable
so it could be an event where there's
a high probability you'll know
at least a couple of people. It
could be an alumni. The other thing
I would suggest if you're more
on the shy side is pick a networking
event that has a topic that you
have a lot of passion about. It
could be a social gathering it
could be a wine club it could be
a reading club it could be a car
club. I mean you pick it whatever
you feel more more comfortable
because of the topic of conversation
is something that you have a passion
about. You're going to be you're
going to feel much more comfortable
initiating a conversation with
someone who's actually networking
as well.Right. Right. I love that
idea of it being you know a car
show or you know a wine club. Are
there any other sort of surprising
places that you think people can
network that maybe they're not
thinking about as a networking
event.It's almost anywhere. I mean
literally it could be a coffee
shop it could be an airplane is
one where people tend to network
with the person next to them. It
could be a sporting event. I mean
I've I've just had and I will say
to I am not an extrovert. I am
more of an introvert but I feel
like when you're in a social gathering
or in a place where people are
just naturally gathering a restaurant
a coffee shop or even a bar. It's
very easy to turn to the person
next to you and just say hello
and a conversation will generate
you know I'll give you another
funny example of networking. I
was actually and this was a couple
of weeks ago. It was my boss 50th
birthday and we were trying to
track down some very special type
of I think it was whiskey not a
whiskey connoisseur but it was
something very very rare type of
whiskey and a couple of us were
trying to figure out where could
we buy it. And so I just happened
to be sitting at the bar waiting
for my husband and there was a
young man sitting next to me. And
it dawned on me that he was a liquor
distributor and it didn't click
for me first and we started talking
about kids and you know he has
little ones and you know all the
idea. And finally it occurred to
me I should ask what more I can
get this whiskey and. We had a
great conversation he gave me his
contact information and it is just
another example of you can network
anywhere you can network for any
reason. And in this case it was
it was a great thing for me he
probably didn't get much out of
it besides the conversation. But
you know I was able to make a key
when in terms of getting the right
whiskey I love it. Yeah. To answer
your question honestly you can
network anywhere.And I love your
example right where you are now
where it Gheen you're thinking
about all of those connections
as networking and it's not just
about you know your next job but
it really is helping you helping
to solve a problem or the flipside
is you know you may have had some
information in that instance that
somebody needed right so goes back
to that helping others. And you
know seeking help from that network.
It's kind of a different twist
on it than I like it will come
back to you.My my other example
is I was on a plane a couple of
weeks ago coming back from Phoenix
and I just had my laptop up and
I was working in for like 99 percent
of the flight. And literally 10
minutes before we landed I finally
struck up a conversation there
was a really nice lady sitting
beside me and she told me her story
of she was a consultant and in
the security business like computer
security and that great conversation
with her I just could tell she
was highly intelligent. She was
traveling a lot. Her husband happened
to work at Microsoft. And so I
immediately made the connection
with her and said well gosh you
know you should have your husband
send me your resume. And so now
I'm in the process of trying to
figure out if there's a good match
for her. But there's another example
of you know for her networking
anywhere may lead her to a job
right.Right. I love Dot and I love
you being sort of open to that
right even suggesting not knowing
what role you have. It is sort
of easy access within the company
that you might have and you've
been unwilling to share that out.
So that goes back to that helping
others right. Yeah yeah. I like
that a lot. You know so we hear
a lot about linked in and sort
of networking through linked in.
What role the U.S. linked in can
and should play in somebody's networking
plan.Well we are definitely affiliated
with LinkedIn now. We acquired
them a little while ago. It's true
it's true. I'm heading down length
in next week to meet with some
of my colleagues down there. You
know I think Linked-In is a wonderful
wonderful tool and it's one of
those things where when I when
I gave the dictionary definition
of networking I really see it as
the web and the Web can expand
really really quickly and I think
LinkedIn is an enabler of that.
And so I mean I guess the cautionary
thing is you could very easily
get yourself overwhelmed with people
that are connecting with you and
people that you are connecting
with. And so I think you have to
be slightly selective in terms
of who you want to connect with
how you want to connect with them.
And in this example. And the reason
for connecting I love to give my
LinkedIn information out. I think
it's a great way especially when
you are actively networking with
someone face to face you know in
a room or at a conference. For
me the easiest thing to say is
let's let's get connected on LinkedIn
because I'm lengthening there.
You can pursue that relationship
to the depth that you feel is necessary
or you can help that person they
can help you. So I'm a big fan
of it and I think it's an enabler
in terms of the networking scenarios
that we're all involved in.Right.
And I know you know I think one
of the key pieces for it is you
can see people's work history or
know where they are and you know
which is super helpful when you're
looking for something specific.
I mean I will say that career cue
really came about because I had
was looking at maybe going to do
some consulting work and Stacy
who is my co-host on the show I
saw she had worked for particular
consulting company that I was interested
in a local company. And so that's
was my first outreach to our was
hey I see that you work for this
company I want to chat about it.
And then we met for a few coffees
and a few coffees more and hence
then the career. Is Born. But really
you know our initial outreach to
her was about a particular company
that she had worked for previously.
And then we took clearly a whole
different path that we launched
that create together so that that's
a great story.And it just it's
sparking my mind to say I think
it's a great tool in terms of benchmarking
too. So for myself if I want to
gain a little bit more knowledge
about how another company or person
is approaching executive recruiting
as an example. LinkedIn is a great
tool to figure out who are those
other people. You know that might
be out there facing a similar challenge.
And then you know connecting with
them and having that dialogue.
Yes. Great. Great. Well let's take
a quick break and then when we
come back I want to talk about
how networking can play a role
just in your career development
outside of finding a new job. Welcome
back. We're talking with Nina Jo
Holliday all about networking.
So Nina I'd love to talk a little
bit more about what role networking
can play in somebody's career development
really just outside of when they
want to find a new job. Is there
a role for networking in crew development.
Absolutely. And again I'm trying
to think of a personal story that
I can relate to this and nothing
is popping to mind at the moment.
So you know what I will say is
I think that network can lead to
many different opportunities and
the one that pops into my head
is you could be at a networking
event and find an opportunity to
either become a mentor or be mentored
by someone in a specific area or
need that you might have. And so
I think there are opportunities
in terms of me developing my own
career as a network with someone
I enter into a mentoring relationship
with them or as I said it could
be vice versa where I feel like
there's an opportunity for me to
mentor someone or coach someone.
And when you mentor someone I think
it's there's a two way benefit
to that. You learn and they learn.
So that's something that immediately
comes to mind in terms of career
development. The other thing I
would say is it could lead to volunteer
opportunities too. So a volunteer
opportunity isn't necessarily finding
a new job but when you take on
a volunteer opportunity obviously
your not only contributing to whatever
that organization is but you're
also learning and developing your
own skills.That's interesting to
think about right that looking
out for volunteer opportunities
or having those offered to you
through your network really can
be beneficial you can grow your
skills or get additional exposure
and that maybe you wouldn't have
had before without you know having
that network offer you that opportunity.
Yeah and I think when you say exposure
I would interpret that to mean
visibility as well so if are volunteering
in an organization you become a
very visible member of that community
and then just by being a visible
member of a community I think there's
many more opportunities for you
to make connections with people
and again those connections could
lead to all sorts of different
outcomes if you will.Right. Right.
I definitely see the role of networking
especially if you are on the job
and you may be going to take on
a new project or a new type of
project that you haven't done before
if you know other people in your
industry or people know that you've
done that they might reach out
right to get a little bit of early
coaching or give me some words
of wisdom type advice and that
could be a longer term mentorship
or really just a point in time
like hey let's chat about this
as I kick off this project kind
of idea.Yeah that's so true and
you're making me think of an example
now that just popped into my head.
And again all related to the executive
search space. So I'm a member of
a organization that is made up
of people that have similar roles
to myself and I think the networking
opportunity there is alive and
well and there's been many times
when I've reached out to others
in the industry to say I am embarking
on you know trying to solve a challenge
around how do you measure our awide
for the work that my team does.
And you know how have you approached
this what do you know or just jointly
brainstorm on things. So I think
again this is not seeking a new
job and it really is in the realm
of career development and honing
my craft in terms of what I do
today and try to get better at
that as I work with other people
and learn how they're approaching
similar challenges.Right. Right.
So what tips do you have for people
who don't think that they are networkers.
You know what I would say is if
you don't think you're a natural
networker it doesn't mean you can't
be really good at it. It will just
take practice and it will take
a little bit of bravery and the
other thing I would say is remind
yourself that all humans are innately
social creatures and most likely
unfortunately you've had some experience
in your life that might make you
a bit more hesitant to put yourself
out there so to speak. And you
know as I said earlier using self-talk
to sort of bolster up your self
bolster up your self-confidence
or seeking advice from a trusted
advisor who knows you well enough
to sort of get you in the right
space. It's going to be really
important. And then the other thing
I would say is pay particular attention
to pre-planning and be specific
in what next. We're networking
events you want to target first.
So I think I alluded to this earlier
go to the ones where you're going
to feel most comfortable and sort
of use that as your testing ground.
Even before that practice I'm the
most comfortable environment that
sort of suits your lifestyle. Maybe
it's the gym maybe it's the grocery
store but it's really just taking
that initial step and talking to
people that you don't know when
you're in line paying for your
groceries or what have you. And
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised
at how accommodating and how people
how willing people are to talk
to you. And that's what networking
is all about.Right. And so you
mentioned earlier and then your
answer that preplanning and not
planning what would you say what
goes into like a networking plan
what would you advise people put
into that.So what I would say is
step 1 is the plan so about what
events you want to attend and why.
We talked a little bit about this
and then also think about what
your approach is going to be once
you get to the event. I talked
a little bit about the smaller
group going for the trio of the
three at APOD it's easier to break
into that conversation. The other
thing I would say is have a list
of two to three topics that you're
passionate about that you feel
confident about that you want to
speak about that you want to talk
to someone about or think information
about it and know what those are
so you sort of have your full in
your head and you're not frozen
in the spot. And then I would say
as I said earlier introduce yourself
people introduce themselves to
you it's automatic human behavior
and then don't be afraid to ask
people while you're at the event
introduce you to others. People
are very very willing to make those
connections. And I would say in
my experience I can't say it's
100 percent hit rate but you can
kind of read the networking event
that you're in and you want to
be in a networking event where
people are very open and people
are very genuine. There could be
events that you just don't feel
sort of vibe and that's fine and
good you move on and you know you
don't go again or you go to a different
one.So I think you have to sort
of read the room and read the environment
and make sure you're comfortable
with that that makes a lot of sense
about you know being sure that
you are comfortable there so that
way you're sort of presenting your
best self. Because I imagine if
you're not comfortable with the
individuals not comfortable there
you know you're just not putting
yourself out. You know you just
not putting your best self out
there.Write you're going to put
so much pressure on yourself that
you're probably going to be somewhat
limited in terms of how you how
you want to show. The other thing
I would say is ask open ended questions
about whatever the topic is that's
being discussed and if it isn't
something you're super familiar
with. Just be curious. Use the
names of the people you're talking
with. So once they introduce themselves
to you use surnames it's a very
it's a strategy that becomes very
very engaging. And I think the
other thing is when you ask open
ended questions and you're curious
about the topic. People love to
talk about something they're passionate
about they love to talk about themselves
and that gets to building an authentic
and a genuine relationship with
someone so I think that's sort
of that's sort of the basic place
to start. And then the other thing
I would say is smile and look approachable.
Nobody wants to approach someone
that frowning or looks like they're
stressed out. So I think that's
the other reason that you've got
to make sure that the environment
you're in is something that you're
comfortable in and then offer up
ideas and offer to connect people
to others do whatever feels natural
to you. But look for an opportunity
to help the person that you're
speaking with versus trying to
sort of flip it the other way because
those opportunities will come to
you. It's more about being a resource
for others and determining how
you can help them with whatever
they're working on. And that will
flip in you will sort of you'll
yield the effects of that at some
point as well. And then the last
thing I'll say is post a follow
up. So any commitment you make
to your fellow networkers make
sure you follow up on those things
like sending a short email acknowledging
that you met so-and-so and you
know maybe you can add in a little
bit of what you learn from them.
Make it personal and let them know
that they can reach out to you.
I like that follow up piece right
I mean it's possibly something
people don't think about much from
a networking event. There's like
a real specific Oh that person
has a job that I'm interested in
or you know that person has something
that I need. Then of course I mean
I can follow up but maybe if it
was that immediate piece that post-event
follow up could be really useful
as you're saying sort of and it
could fruit or net something further
down the line than than what would
happen immediately in the room.
Yeah that's so true and it could
be when somebody hands you a business
card which doesn't happen as often
as it used to now. But when they
hand you a business card you get
back to your desk you shoot them
off a quick email. That way your
top of mind for them are there
and you know a folder in their
email in case they want to reference
back or it's a quick connection
on LinkedIn. So you sort of start
building your own library and you
go back to that library when you
may have a question or maybe you
go back to the library because
somebody said oh gosh I'm really
interested in x y Zad and then
you have an opportunity to say
oh gosh I think I have something
that might help that person. And
again that's just it's an ongoing
sort of reciprocal event if you
will.I love that and I love how
you keep coming back to it is about
helping others write if you can
help others and that comes around
to you again and really keeping
that in mind. So Nina I imagine
that there is a difference between
sort of building a network and
you know you're first starting
out versus sort of maintaining
a network. Do you see a difference
and you know are there any different
steps or anything different you
would advise in either of those
situations.Yeah. You know there's
definitely a difference and there's
also a similarity and I think in
the similarity bucket it's both
take dedication both take work
and both take planning and when
you're maintaining a network of
follow up and follow through are
very important. So being proactive
and maintaining your network you
could be selective. You know in
terms of whom and how often and
what that interaction might look
like. But if you make a commitment
that absolutely stick to it. In
my own network I have people where
we have a mutual commitment to
kind of be there and we exchange
information on a fairly regular
basis. That could be an email article
that I know a person would enjoy
that I personally got a lot of
value out of. But I'll just shoot
it off to a couple people of my
network that could be a job lead
that I recently that I'd like to
pass on. It can be very personal
but I think the main point I would
make is having a commitment follow
up set aside a certain time stick
to your commitment keeping your
network alive is hard work. So
have a plan have a timeline attached
to each of the people in your network.
And then again it could be as light
as email and email Check-In or
it could be a face to face meeting
Yeah that's interesting.Think about
that time commitment that it could
take you could probably spend all
your time networking right and
meeting TV network but all the
rest of you know many of us have
full time jobs and things we need
to do. How do you balance that.
Well what I would say is even though
I started off by saying networking
is a time commitment it can vary.
So you will have a set of people
in your network community which
are very low maintenance. It is
a quick e-mail. You know maybe
it's every six months and it's
just a quick little e-mail. It's
more about the discipline and then
having a commitment to say OK every
six months. Here's the 10 people
I've been issued an email to but
I think there's another bucket
of people that you interact with
more often. And I think what I
would say it's what I refer to
as I read this great article that
gosh I want to share with you know
the four people in my network that
I know have a passion around this
or they're going to love this or
it's going to help them because
it helped me and then doing that.
That's more a little impromptu
but doing it almost immediately
otherwise you're probably not going
to get to it. So as I read something
and I'm like gosh Stacey would
love this you know shooting it
off to Stacy immediately.But I
think the final and third bucket
is where you spend. I'm going to
call it call it more quality time.
So there's probably like three
or four people in my image and
call it my deep network where we
meet maybe every second months
and it is a face to face meeting.
It's dinner or it's a glass of
wine and we're It's almost like
a mentoring peer mentoring network
where I'm talking about specific
challenges and I have the other
person talking about the specific
challenges we have and we're actually
contracting to say OK the next
time we meet we're giving each
other advice the next time we meet.
Here's what I will commit to do
to change the circumstances a man
or to address the challenge I have.
And so that's super beneficial.
It's a it's a much more emotional
networking connection but I think
those are the types of connections
the more you connect in that way
the deeper the conversations are
and the feedback is very very rich.
And I would say in that category
you're probably going to have just
a small handful of people.Right.
Those people that are you are sort
of consistently engaging with and
probably know a bit of your weight
more of your history than some
of the other. You can go to sort
of and call on them or they can
call on you at a somewhat quick
pace right. I love that right.
Yeah. So you know. Nina thank you
so much for chatting with me about
networking. Mean definitely to
this conversation I can see that
you know it really is networking
just an ongoing process right that
it takes some time to go deeper
with folks right. And some some
you just reach out every once in
a while. But it's that consistently
managing that is so important not
just for you know new job seekers
but for career development. We
had a couple of examples. Yeah.
Wonderful. Well let's transition
our conversation Nina and I we
have a couple of questions that
we'd like to ask all of the guests
on the career Keok helps us get
to know you a little bit better.
Sunita What was your first job.
Well I actually worked for my parents.
And gosh you know I was probably
like under-aged in terms of being
legally allowed to work. But when
you have a family business you
chip in and you do whatever. So
that was actually my my first job
and it was a fun one it was pretty
much full time after school on
the weekends what have you what
do you think you learned from that
that you still use today. I think
what I learned is that you you
have to feel passionate about your
profession or your craft. And if
you're in that position you can
very easily pull for your whole
self into about work. And when
I think about what I learn from
that for myself it's to ensure
that whatever work I'm doing I'm
truly passionate about whatever
it is. My you know my career my
craft and my barometer is are sort
of my own my own sense Chuck is
if I can't get up in the morning.
Ninety nine percent of the time
and feel really excited to go to
work that I'm probably doing the
wrong thing. But I guess the flip
side of that is luckily 99 percent
of the time I can get up in the
morning and feel really excited
to come to work. So that's what
I learned is you have to have passion
for what you're doing. Otherwise
you're probably not going to get
your whole self to whatever that
craft or whatever that profession
is.Right. I mean it is the feeling
that drive or that in your stomach
or feelings gap this is fine I
enjoy what I'm doing and does make
a difference and as you said sort
of putting your whole self out
there and really giving it your
all I think versus just sort of
phoning it in. Exactly. Well have
you read or listen to anything
recently that you would recommend
to others.Definitely and I actually
recommended this to a couple of
people in my network. It was the
TED talk that I think I listened
to a couple of months ago. It might
have been the January time frame
and it was by an organizational
psychologist Adam ground called
Are You a giver or a taker. And
he basically posed that there are
three basic kinds of people in
every workplace there's givers.
There's takers and there's managers
and say about matters when I what
I thought about this is that those
people are the networkers. And
so we offer really simple strategies
to promote a culture of generosity
and keeping the self serving employees
from taking more of their fair
share of work and time and so I
was fascinated by that one. It
resonated with me. And you know
I think when I read or I hear about
things that resonate with me I
automatically want to share it
with certain people on my network.
That's neat. That's an interesting
concept and I'm sure you as a leader
of a large organization you can
think about that even just you
know and not just in your profession.
You know executive recruitment
and talent acquisition but in within
your own organization where you're
leading not have how that filters
through.Absolutely. There's so
many ways to apply it you could
even apply it to your personal
life. So just a you know a variety
of different takeaways from that
particular TED talk. Great. Well
I'm going to look at him Grant.
OK.I'm going to look that up as
soon as we get this. We're out
of the studio here. So Nina this
is one of my favorite questions.
What would your 90 year old self
say to you if 90 year old Nina
walked in the door today what would
she say to you.Gosh. Well I hope
my nine year old self would say
I can't believe you're 90 and you
don't look a day over 80. Oh good
day over 80. My mum just turned
92 for my my way. You know I want
to look like my mom when I'm her
age certainly does not look her
age. You know and this is a bit
of a cliche answer but it's one
that I truly believe in and it's
all about the legacy that I'm leaving
behind. Not about what job I've
had or what title I've held but
it would be more about wow what
an amazing child you raised. What
a great human you've been in. I
can't believe how many people you
have helped in so many different
ways. That's what I would want
my 90 year old self to be saying
to me.I love that and it really
is sort of you know it's the legacy
and you know we've talked about
on the career Khune we've had other
guests talk about legacy and you
know there's sort of a big legacy
that you think about that is you
know if you're the president or
you're you know some you know big
role there's this huge thing out
there and there's also you know
what we sort of talked about as
like the little L legacy which
is your family and your friends
and the network rable to create
and just the impact you had on
your circle and sort of the ripple
effect of that. Exactly. Yeah.
So I love that. I love that. Wonderful.
Well Nina this has been so fun
to have you and Tom on the career
you today so thank you. If our
listeners want to learn more about
you or get in touch with you what
is the best way for our listeners
to do that.I think Linked-In is
probably the best and easiest and
most efficient way. So I welcome
anyone to connect with me on LinkedIn.
You know you can do an easy search
on the Acho hall and all pop up
and you can go ahead and send me
an e-mail but I'd love to chat
further.Great. I love that. Well
thank you so much Nina and I hope
all of our listeners got there
and start networking.Excellent.
Thank you so much. I've had a wonderful
time chatting with you. Great.
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