The Avengers have had their fair share
of conflicts
unfortunately for them in the world when
super-powered individuals come into
conflict they often drag the very
stability of life down with them
historically iron man has held strongly
to his beliefs holding to the mentality
that is a self-proclaimed futurist he
can understand the probabilities of the
future and choose the right side
unfortunately for him there has been
much debate about the legitimacy of his
claims
in the first civil war although he won
the physical battle he lost the
philosophical one for good reason
ideologically Tony Stark has been one of
the hardest characters to agree with he
often holds too tightly to his own
beliefs without listening to the
oftentimes legitimate concerns of others
and he's displayed a willingness to harm
his closest friends along the way
however for once the current Civil War 2
Series has many siding with Iron Men
even if he may lose the physical battle
this conflict sees the hero community
split over the issue of predictive
justice it all stems from the abilities
of a new inhuman Ulysses to see possible
futures Tony believes it's wrong to
judge someone before they've done
something wrong but on the other side of
the aisle Captain Marvel sees Ulysses as
an opportunity if calamities can be
prevented in lives can be saved
shouldn't this new inhumans abilities be
put to good use
no matter which hero you've cited with
both have points worth exploring here
are
ten ironman the cost of interference
from the onset Tony Stark is concerned
with the ripple effect of acting upon a
possible future
with an inherent uncertainty built into
the visions of the inhuman Ulysses comes
a degree of uncertainty in action if the
superhero community acts in response to
a vision and saves the day
did they win because of the vision with
the event have even occurred if they did
nothing
and will further injustice occur because
of the halted event
the butterfly effect has too many
variables for Tony Stark
ultimately the heroes do face extreme
situations brought on by the visions
if not for the visions there would be no
war no infighting no conflict
in one vision Ulysses is transported to
a barren future where only old man logan
Rome's
upon asking what occurred to create this
future Logan replies he pushed her too
far
civil war to issue 7
ultimately it would seem to be the
conflict created over the visions that
will lead to a bleak future even the
King of weekend away sin with concerns
to captain marvel that they must ensure
they are preventing crisis while also
tacking care that in the process they
aren't causing them
Captain Marvel issue 8
if the price of saving the day is more
destruction was it the right decision
nine death in the family almost
immediately this conflict draws blood
before the heroes even have the
opportunity to debate the issue of
acting on visions carol danvers utilizes
a vision of an oz to intercept him
before he can formulate an attack
although the team with her prepares for
the vision they saw the act of using the
vision means that the future has already
changed
in this new future roadie dies Tony
rightly blames Captain Marvel for the
loss of his best friend and her lover
you made this happen
Denver's you chase this you couldn't
leave this alone and now another one of
us is gone throughout the conflict
Danvers maintains that roadie would
still be on her side and would have
acted the same even knowing what would
befall him but other heroes reprimand
her for this thinking Tony Stark not
least among them leading even the new ms
marvel comic on to criticize her
childhood hero on the belief that she
can somehow decide who and what these
visions a fact she doesn't have the
right to decide which ones are
collateral damage
aight Bruce Banner the lonely men bruce
banner has perhaps one of the most
tragic histories as a hero
due to the violent and uncontrollable
nature of the Hulk he has often been at
the center of conflict for the heroes of
the Marvel Universe rarely does a series
progress without some transgression by
the Hulk which puts banner in hiding
in Civil War two banner is in seclusion
seeking a cure for his condition but he
has also begun working on a formula
capable of killing him in case he should
ever pose a threat to anyone again that
moment arrives when Ulysses has a vision
of a rampaging Hulk murdering his fellow
adventures shaken by the vision of their
friends / sometimes enemy they go out to
talk to banner only to set him on edge
as Denver seeks to arrest him or place
him under protective custody
Tony declines desiring to reason with
his genius friend
he holds firmly that his pal has not
done anything to warrant arrest with the
inhuman Queen adding an ominous yet on
to that statement at the end of it
Hawkeye who was specifically instructed
by banner to utilize a narrow laced with
the Hulk poison if he were ever about to
Hulk out shoots him dead
the murder of a friend is enough to
prove to Tony once more that he is on
the right side of this conflict seven
futurist
Tony Stark often refers to himself as a
futurist and by his definition that
means that the way his mind works
he can Intuit the future however he has
learned to make his decisions with as
much knowledge as possible and to take
those futures with a grain of salt
it is in this regard that he considers
the possible dangers of believing the
visions of Ulysses wholeheartedly
without any evidence to prove their
legitimacy when carol danvers throws the
Futurist tag in his face Tony response
that he respects the future he believes
in the future
however this is complicated by the
uncertainty over the validity of Ulysses
visions Tony Stark a police states that
in their fights when they fight for the
future they are accountable for their
actions
unless they can be held responsible for
their actions
there are no Avengers no Ultimates no
heroes
if something goes wrong when acting on
knowledge of an event that hasn't
happened or might never have happened
how do you not hold them utterly and
completely responsible for Tony Stark
understanding the future does not mean
manipulating it
the visions from ulysses simply bring
about too much uncertainty in his eyes
six protecting spider-man perhaps the
most significant of reasons for siding
with Tony Stark is his protection of the
new young ultimate spider men
the story lines of the two civil wars
mirror each other somewhat as both
web-slinger's go into hiding temporarily
in the original civil war it is because
he has decided to join captain america
and he knows Tony Stark will be after
him
in the current series it's because the
young and human Ulysses pushes a vision
upon the entirety of the superhero
community in the midst of an argument a
terrifying glimpse of Captain America's
death at the hands of spider-man as
noted before tony was clearly in the
wrong in the first civil war he sent
villains after the wall-crawler who
nearly killed him rather than bringing
him and has instructed spy days near
death is in some ways what causes
captain america to end the fight
ideologically he is still in the right
but if it means that innocent lives are
lost the fight is not worth it in the
current series Tony Stark has a similar
realization the fight is not worth
fighting if everyone can't walk home
safe afterward further this particular
vision is the perfect example of the
incomplete nature of visions in the
knowledge that the superhero community
has before acting upon them in the
current storyline there might very well
be a need for spider-man or anyone to
confront captain america as he is
currently living in altered reality of
self leading him to act as a Hydra agent
perhaps there is a legitimate
circumstance under which Miles Morales
might actually need to battle him
something pointed out by Miles Morales
best friend in spider-man issue 10 but
that remains to be seen five self-care
Tony Stark does not have the best track
record with taking care of himself
he has often fallen into the tragic
cycle of self-medication and alcoholism
a character flaw that's driven many of
his past storylines
in recent years however Stark has been
taking care of himself in order to
better take care of those around him
even to the point of becoming a sponsor
for Carol Danvers
throughout his own recent series we've
seen stark looking back at the
stabilizing factor that road he was and
realizing that he needs to do something
in order to save himself now leading up
to the actual civil war conflict he
hires Mary Jane to help him when he
can't help himself and once the conflict
begins he seeks out an a a meeting but
one that Danvers won't be it
in some ways this desire for self-care
is motivated by the extension of
concerns from the hero community
even Hank McCoy beast who sides with
Captain Marvel reaches out with concern
to Tony after the death of roadie stark
takes those concerns to heart and he
finally decides to take care of himself
through all of this
for science
tied in with the idea of a futurist is
the science behind it
Tony Stark believes that with his
extreme intelligence he has a better
understanding of what will come of
various incidents in events however he
understands that that is a limited view
of the world
he must still wait for the events to
take place before acting on them
in the case of Ulysses even Captain
Marvel admits to the science of the
visions
in ms marvel number eight she explains
that what Ulysses does is more like
mathematics as he determines the future
with a fraction of uncertainty
however for a growing number of the
heroic community it is that standard of
error that is worrisome both black
panther and ms marvel suggest that
computers are not infallible they come
up with responses based on the
information put into them 40 chela that
information received by Ulysses might
include errors and biases for ms marvel
she fears for the entrapment of others
as someone who fully understands the
working of computer programming Tony
Stark will not rely entirely on the
predictions or interpretations of data
given by Ulysses at least not until he
can fully comprehend his programming
three bleeding heart when the youngest
members of the hero community begin to
question the very heroes they have
looked up to iron man is there but he in
no way does so as a grand acceptance of
his righteousness or strength the scene
when ms marvel finally turns to him
after trying to prove to her heroic
namesake Denver's the dangers of
predictive justice he accepts her butt
in the kindest manner possible as they
slowly walk away together
he offers gyro and fries along with some
advice changes what you make of it
trust yourself things will work out
maybe not the way you want them to but
they will similarly when facing Miles
Morales the current spider-man he
constantly asks rather than demands that
miles see his point of view
Tony values the perspective of these
young heroes
even after the vision of the death of
Captain America at spy days hands stark
places an invisible shield around miles
not to provoke captain marvel in any way
but rather to ensure that no matter what
her opinion on the situation is that she
asked miles rather than forcibly take
him to concern for fellow heroes even
Captain Marvel
in the first civil war and especially in
its continuation in secret wars Tony
Stark's concern for his fellow heroes is
limited
he eventually become so set on his own
beliefs in the conflict that he sends
known villains to find and capture
spider-man there is almost nothing he
will not do to win even when it means
the harm or possible death his closest
pals
in the current Civil War to Tony Stark
goes above and beyond to protect his
friends even those who opposed him when
he seeks an a a meeting he purposefully
chooses one that he would not normally
attend to ensure that carol danvers can
still feel safe attending a meeting for
herself
although they both had a similar plan
and end up at the same meeting anyways
good intentions though
they may be at war but he is still her
sponsor and her well-being matters to
him one Morel centers
at the onset Tony indicates his
understanding of the moral discussions
inherent in the situation when Captain
America asks what he thinks of the newly
discovered i equals inhuman he responds
with the expected Tony bravado but with
a hint of humility i'm not going to have
a morality debate with you Steve those
never end well for us
conflict progresses cap falls onto the
side of Tony outright which leads Black
Panther to follow suit teach ella
explains if you are on Captain America's
side you can rest easy knowing you are
on the right side these two endorsements
are perhaps the most significant as in
the first civil war and the repeated
civil war within the 2015 secret wars
event
captain america clearly held the moral
high ground regardless of the end-battle
the fact that he can stand with Tony
substantiates the idea that team Iron
Man is in the right this time around
asterisk possibly of note is the fact
that Steve Rogers is currently under the
control of the Cosmic Cube and thus
believes himself to be Hydra this could
be seen as a negative as Hydra cap might
be purposefully sewing descent
however throughout his current storyline
it is clear that he still possesses a
fragment of the man that is Captain
America Hydra the Red Skull the Cosmic
Cube none can take away the heart of the
star-spangled Avenger five Captain
Marvel predictive justice predictive
justice is the system upon which captain
marvel is taking her position in the war
for her
it ensures that the majority of innocent
survive
overall the system utilizes the visions
of Ulysses but by guiding what it is
that he sees they give him access to
secure files that allow him to get a
read on various persons to invoke a
vision of anything that might happen
many who fall on the other side of the
conflict compare this system to
profiling where individuals are arrested
for something they might do for Captain
Marvel she sees that is something beyond
profiling because it isn't a judgment
based on race religion ethnicity or
politics
she argues that profiling was a poor
attempt at protecting the security of
the world
Ulysses focuses on individuals in what
they are capable of
while the idea maybe an uncomfortable
one captain marvel honestly believes
that she is saving lives
there may be some moral ambiguity in the
utilization of visions of possible
futures especially when the ability to
manipulate those visions was proven at
least twice
however coming from the military
background that Carol Danvers has there
is an understanding of the logic behind
her decision from her vantage point she
is looking for those who will do
something wrong but it cannot and should
not be used only against those she
distrusts it may be an imperfect system
but she works to make it as accurate as
possible and beneficial to the safety of
all four avoidable death
Captain Marvel does not find needlessly
although many may view her as being in
the wrong she is ultimately trying to
save as many lives as possible through
the means available to her at the
beginning of Civil War two
she perhaps curses herself somewhat when
she exclaims if everyone's alive at the
end of the day it was the right thing to
do
unfortunately not everyone can come home
at the end of the day even with the
foreknowledge provided by Ulysses
preceding even a morality debate the
loss of both roadie and Bruce Banner
plague the leaks of heroes who want to
know if the risk is worth it for Captain
Marvel that answer is absolutely
they put their lives on the line
constantly and the visions provide them
with the certainty that their fight and
the potential loss of life is for a
reason
in her mind to save lives requires the
usage of Ulysses regardless of the small
margin of error that exists
the safety of innocence is worth
everything and prior to some of her more
ambiguous arrests made throughout Civil
War two
she does prove how beneficial this for
knowledge can be when they are able to
incapacitate Dr Minerva without
casualties in Captain Marvel number 73
the threat of global catastrophe carol
danvers holds strongly to the belief
that the proactive actions against
villains and threats will not only save
lives but also prevent more extreme
calamities
the initial event that sets off much of
the conflict between sides comes with a
NOSSA tax project pgas us in the hopes
of recovering the Cosmic Cube however
thanks to the vision of Ulysses the
ultimates and alpha flight both under
the leadership of Captain Marvel are
able to stop him from destroying the
facility and take the planet-destroying
weapons being kept there she openly
admits that perhaps some more restraint
could have been exhibited or that they
should have acted with more caution but
that regardless of any shortcomings in
their attack including the significant
loss of roadie the consequences would
have been far more dire Captain Marvel
believes these teams of heroes were
assembled to prepare for the unexpected
and views the visions as just such a
proactive and defensive stance capable
of furthering their preparedness
to moral leadership with the moral
ambiguity of predictive Justice Captain
Marvel seeks to keep the entire system
is above reproach as possible although
the system as a whole is debated she
will not allow it to be used against
specific people
she uses it to monitor individuals of
interest such as than us and others but
she will not use it as is suggested by
some of the Alpha Flight board of
directors to investigate the future of
Tony Stark she will do it properly and
will not let anyone go above her orders
on the manner however what this means is
that she compromises to some degree the
freedoms of those around her although
she doesn't intentionally keep tabs on
her team the nature of Ulysses visions
means that there will always be some
encroachment upon personal freedom but
that's the price they must pay for the
security of the future
at the end of the day what's more
important safety or absolute freedom
an intriguing question to say the least
one those in power
in some regards Captain Marvel is a
reluctant leader
it's not that she isn't capable of
leading she is in charge of several
super teams after all but that she isn't
sure this particular battle is won that
she is altogether prepared for however
she and many of the heroes around her
are willing to concede that the entire
predictive justice system is best off in
her hands
in Captain Marvel number 10 the master
of the world disguised as Philip bewley
an alpha flight board member attempts to
manipulate the results of Ulysses
visions by inputting and excluding
specific information to ensure that
carol danvers suspects individuals who
have done / will do nothing wrong
he has his own agenda for the program
one that needs Captain Marvel out of the
picture
it's basically everything she's trying
to avoid
in her own words it's obvious now more
than ever
if I don't do this no one will or
someone will do in a hell of a lot worse
Hank McCoy expresses his belief that
Tony is not fighting against Denver's
but whatever or whoever may come after
her
he may trust her but not the system in
the hands of anyone else
which side of the conflict do you land
on let us know in the comments
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